New Charizard VMax Hyper Rare. 600 Copies

[papafrankgod]

@primallugia

@papafrankgod

That’s 250 usd for Mewtwo, not 2.5k

He is not lying, the image is just weird.

If im not mistaken, this is a buylist from another shop.

300000 Japanese Yen

https://twitter.com/cardrush\_poke/status/1278997232289636352
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Oh thx. yeah then the image was wrong

[primallugia]

@Quuador

@primallugia

Thai Zekrom SR as a set card (yes my memory is working now finally XD):

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I never saw the image of the HR Zekrom version, but I saw a listing on a thai card shop before, i asked a thai card shop on FB before, but they couldnt provide me images… I checked future set of other Asian sets before, I couldnt find a Mewtwo SR… which is very odd…

Ah, didn’t knew that! I didn’t check the Thai and Indonesian sets tbh, I just knew the Extra Battle Day promos were part of the Chinese set I mentioned.
I do see the Hyper Rare Zekrom GX as well in the Sky Ruler set list on Bulbapedia (180/178 is the one you posted, 201/178 is the Hyper Rare). And that set is released in both Thai and Indonesian.

Also, the second Thai and Indonesian sets Legends Awakened contain the two Mewtwo cards I now see.

Here an unfortunately pretty vague picture of the regular Zekrom and Mewtwo in Indonesian:

Here a picture of the Thai Mewtwo Hyper Rare:

I couldn’t find a picture of the Zekrom Hyper Rare, although I do see it (out of stock) for sale on a Thai webshop I sometimes use (without picture unfortunately; almost none of their Hyper Rares have pictures).

Greetz,
Quuador

I scrolled through the official set list on the indonesian pokemon portal, its there. Just a shame, i thought for a split second Shield Battle Mewtwo HR also release in Thai/Indonesian, but its the Shining Legends Version

Up until now I haven’t seen the Zekrom HR in indonesian/thai, i guess i’ll have to dig into deep into the web this weekend again

[Quuador]

@primallugia Oops… Didn’t even notice it was the wrong Mewtwo… I edited my post to reflect that. I’m glad it’s weekend now.

I have been able to find a picture of the Indonesian Hyper Rare Zekrom GX (top left). So we now have confirmation that the regular and Hyper Rare Zekrom GX were released in Thai and Indonesian. (And the Extra Battle Day promos in Chinese.)

So it wouldn’t be too far’fetched (pun intended) that these Charizards might be available in Chinese/Thai/Indonesian in the future as well.

Greetz,
Quuador

[primallugia]

@Quuador

@primallugia Oops… Didn’t even notice it was the wrong Mewtwo… I edited my post to reflect that. I’m glad it’s weekend now.

I have been able to find a picture of the Indonesian Hyper Rare Zekrom GX (top left). So we now have confirmation that the regular and Hyper Rare Zekrom GX were released in Thai and Indonesian. (And the Extra Battle Day promos in Chinese.)

So it wouldn’t be too far’fetched (pun intended) that these Charizards might be available in Chinese/Thai/Indonesian in the future as well.

Greetz,
Quuador

Thanks for the confirmation!!!

Yeah, who knows Also, the Chinese sets go HARD. They caught up to our SwSh sets in 1 set! Insane how fast they go. They started later than Thai/Indonesia and ended up outpacing them!

[chrispy]

@Quuador

@papafrankgod

This won’t be reprinted?

Most likely not. There was already a thread for these cards here, btw: www.elitefourum.com/t/new-charizard-vmax-hyper-rare-600-copies/28314/1.

If we compare them to the other similar semi-trophy cards mentioned in that thread (The Masked Royal; the Hyper and Full Art Zekrom card; the Hyper and Full Art Mewtwo cards; and the three Extra Battle Day promos), whom all had a rather similar release as these Charizards will have:

• The Masked Royal was limited to 100 copies in Japanese, 30 copies in Korean, and never released in any other language
• The Hyper Rare Zekrom was limited to 100 copies in Japanese, not sure how many in Korean, and never released in any other language
• The Full Art Zekrom was limited to ~1000 copies in Japanese (it mentions ‘approximately 1,000 copies’ on Bulbapedia), not sure how many in Korean, and never in any other language
• The Hyper Rare Mewtwo was limited to 300 copies in Japanese, 17 copies in Korean, and never released in any other language
• The Full Art Mewtwo was limited to ~1200 copies in Japanese (not sure, couldn’t find a number), 36 copies in Korean, and never released in any other language
• The three Extra Battle Day promos were limited to roughly 75-200 copies each (216 tournament were originally planned, and the two finalists would receive a pack containing one of these three promos. due to earthquakes or hurricanes - not sure which of the two anymore - some of the tournaments were cancelled however, so not sure how many were actually released / given). These weren’t printed in Korean a.f.a.i.k., they were however available in the second Chinese SM era set: Dreams Come True Collection. So the artwork itself isn’t too hard to come by because of this ‘mass-produced’ set.

So regarding these Charizards, there is a small chance it will have an even more limited release in Korean, as well as a very minor chance it’s released in Chinese/Thai/Indonesian (which are now all three printing the same sets since Double Burst, albeit Thai comes a few months after the Chinese release, and the Indonesian a few months after the Thai). I can say with roughly 95% certainty that these Charizards won’t be printed in English or any of the other languages, based on these similar semi-trophies mentioned above.

PS: @fourthstartcg Could you maybe merge the two threads?

Greetz,
Quuador

How come Korea gets cool shit like Japan and the English company is just standing around with their dicks in their hands giving us shitty stamps on set cards?

[primallugia]

@chrispy

@Quuador

Most likely not. There was already a thread for these cards here, btw: www.elitefourum.com/t/new-charizard-vmax-hyper-rare-600-copies/28314/1.

If we compare them to the other similar semi-trophy cards mentioned in that thread (The Masked Royal; the Hyper and Full Art Zekrom card; the Hyper and Full Art Mewtwo cards; and the three Extra Battle Day promos), whom all had a rather similar release as these Charizards will have:

• The Masked Royal was limited to 100 copies in Japanese, 30 copies in Korean, and never released in any other language
• The Hyper Rare Zekrom was limited to 100 copies in Japanese, not sure how many in Korean, and never released in any other language
• The Full Art Zekrom was limited to ~1000 copies in Japanese (it mentions ‘approximately 1,000 copies’ on Bulbapedia), not sure how many in Korean, and never in any other language
• The Hyper Rare Mewtwo was limited to 300 copies in Japanese, 17 copies in Korean, and never released in any other language
• The Full Art Mewtwo was limited to ~1200 copies in Japanese (not sure, couldn’t find a number), 36 copies in Korean, and never released in any other language
• The three Extra Battle Day promos were limited to roughly 75-200 copies each (216 tournament were originally planned, and the two finalists would receive a pack containing one of these three promos. due to earthquakes or hurricanes - not sure which of the two anymore - some of the tournaments were cancelled however, so not sure how many were actually released / given). These weren’t printed in Korean a.f.a.i.k., they were however available in the second Chinese SM era set: Dreams Come True Collection. So the artwork itself isn’t too hard to come by because of this ‘mass-produced’ set.

So regarding these Charizards, there is a small chance it will have an even more limited release in Korean, as well as a very minor chance it’s released in Chinese/Thai/Indonesian (which are now all three printing the same sets since Double Burst, albeit Thai comes a few months after the Chinese release, and the Indonesian a few months after the Thai). I can say with roughly 95% certainty that these Charizards won’t be printed in English or any of the other languages, based on these similar semi-trophies mentioned above.

PS: @fourthstartcg Could you maybe merge the two threads?

Greetz,
Quuador

How come Korea gets cool shit like Japan and the English company is just standing around with their dicks in their hands giving us shitty stamps on set cards?

Because Korea falls under TPC,not TPCi.

[chrispy]

@primallugia

@chrispy

How come Korea gets cool shit like Japan and the English company is just standing around with their dicks in their hands giving us shitty stamps on set cards?

Because Korea falls under TPC,not TPCi.

Ugh TPCi is such garbage

[hayo]

@papafrankgod

@hayo

That’s roughly 5.5k USD for Zekrom and Masked Royal, and 2.5k USD for Mewtwo. And lately they’re all on the rise – the collector fever is finally catching up over here too.

That’s 250 usd for Mewtwo, not 2.5k

Whoops! I’m so used to seeing the HR Mewtwo going for 6 digits that I didn’t even notice that the specific poster I shared had a typo…
But yeah, the average buying price for it lately is around 270k~300k JPY, despite what that poster says.

[gengarguy]

Man that Charizard art looks awesome. Definitely going on the want list!

[desi]

@primallugia

@crios711

If darkness ablaze doesn’t have the vmax charizard in rainbow rare, I feel many people will be disappointed, me included. I think I won’t preorder any booster cases or boxes, I will just wait to see what comes out and buy a case if I really like the set and if not maybe just a booster box.

I also understand the desire to hold off on the events due to pandemic going on in the world, but idk we will see how things pan out.

I never expected it to be released in darkness Ablaze. I was asked this alot before this.

The cards are originally from the VMAX starter decks in regular art version.

They won’t release a HR version of that VMAX in our set, if Japan only got regular versions in their products.

All V cards from Starter decks released in Japan, have no full art version in our released past sets. So why would they do it now?

What V cards came from starter decks that didn’t have a full art version in English? Just curious for some examples. The Mew V was released only in japan as a starter deck but we’ll likely see the full art version as well before japan does in Darkness Ablaze

[jeremypadawer]

Spectacular. There is always the secondary market!

[jeremypadawer]

@deltazero

@xzini

Oh no as in yet another very expensive Charizard card incoming

It will be interesting to see how much these Zards sell for.

What’s your over / under on price? I’m thinking $5000+ ungraded.

[primallugia]

@desi

@primallugia

I never expected it to be released in darkness Ablaze. I was asked this alot before this.

The cards are originally from the VMAX starter decks in regular art version.

They won’t release a HR version of that VMAX in our set, if Japan only got regular versions in their products.

All V cards from Starter decks released in Japan, have no full art version in our released past sets. So why would they do it now?

What V cards came from starter decks that didn’t have a full art version in English? Just curious for some examples. The Mew V was released only in japan as a starter deck but we’ll likely see the full art version as well before japan does in Darkness Ablaze

Why do you think we will see a full art Mew V in Darkness Ablaze before Japan?

All V Starter Deck cards (Celebi V, Victini V etc…) that were released before, have no Full Art cards in English. Sword & Shield Base Set contained V Starter Deck Cards, and no Full Art cards before Japan.

Let me give you a better example:

Weavile GX, Umbreon & Darkrai / Espeon & Deoxys GX, Jirachi GX were also Starter Deck cards last year, they got their Full Art version only much later in SM12a Tag All Stars. We only have the two Tag Team GXes as Special Art promo’s so far, we still don’t have Full Art Jirachi GX and Weavile GX and we are still missing alot of SM12a Full Art cards.

Expect these kind of Japanese Starter Deck / Promo cards to get Full Art treatment in special concept pack sets like October reprint slot sets (1 gx card per pack guaranteed) similar to GX Ultra Shiny, SM4+ GX Battle Boost, SM12a Tag All Stars. The set for this year, could be the set after S4 Ashtonihsing Volt Tackle, S4a, the October slot.

tl;dr: There is little chance they will throw in a Full Art card in our sets, that hasn’t been released yet in Japan. And if it releases in Japan afterwards, high chance it will come as a promo card afterwards in English.

I am curious what they will do in our upcoming September Mini Set Sword & Shield 3.5. Little information is known about this set, but so far the release date doesn’t line up very good with the Japanese sets. It would have made more sense if it would release in October. If you want more information on why that set doesn’t line up, please let me know. Because I have lots to say about that aswell. I hope it all makes sense to you now.

[desi]

@primallugia

@desi

What V cards came from starter decks that didn’t have a full art version in English? Just curious for some examples. The Mew V was released only in japan as a starter deck but we’ll likely see the full art version as well before japan does in Darkness Ablaze

Why do you think we will see a full art Mew V in Darkness Ablaze before Japan?

All V Starter Deck cards (Celebi V, Victini V etc…) that were released before, have no Full Art cards in English. Sword & Shield Base Set contained V Starter Deck Cards, and no Full Art cards before Japan.

Let me give you a better example:

Weavile GX, Umbreon & Darkrai / Espeon & Deoxys GX, Jirachi GX were also Starter Deck cards last year, they got their Full Art version only much later in SM12a Tag All Stars. We only have the two Tag Team GXes as Special Art promo’s so far, we still don’t have Full Art Jirachi GX and Weavile GX and we are still missing alot of SM12a Full Art cards.

Expect these kind of Japanese Starter Deck / Promo cards to get Full Art treatment in special concept pack sets like October reprint slot sets (1 gx card per pack guaranteed) similar to GX Ultra Shiny, SM4+ GX Battle Boost, SM12a Tag All Stars. The set for this year, could be the set after S4 Ashtonihsing Volt Tackle, S4a, the October slot.

tl;dr: There is little chance they will throw in a Full Art card in our sets, that hasn’t been released yet in Japan. And if it releases in Japan afterwards, high chance it will come as a promo card afterwards in English.

I am curious what they will do in our upcoming September Mini Set Sword & Shield 3.5. Little information is known about this set, but so far the release date doesn’t line up very good with the Japanese sets. It would have made more sense if it would release in October. If you want more information on why that set doesn’t line up, please let me know. Because I have lots to say about that aswell. I hope it all makes sense to you now.

It clears it up somewhat, have we ever gotten a VMAX card without the regular full art V version of it?

[primallugia]

@desi

@primallugia

Why do you think we will see a full art Mew V in Darkness Ablaze before Japan?

All V Starter Deck cards (Celebi V, Victini V etc…) that were released before, have no Full Art cards in English. Sword & Shield Base Set contained V Starter Deck Cards, and no Full Art cards before Japan.

Let me give you a better example:

Weavile GX, Umbreon & Darkrai / Espeon & Deoxys GX, Jirachi GX were also Starter Deck cards last year, they got their Full Art version only much later in SM12a Tag All Stars. We only have the two Tag Team GXes as Special Art promo’s so far, we still don’t have Full Art Jirachi GX and Weavile GX and we are still missing alot of SM12a Full Art cards.

Expect these kind of Japanese Starter Deck / Promo cards to get Full Art treatment in special concept pack sets like October reprint slot sets (1 gx card per pack guaranteed) similar to GX Ultra Shiny, SM4+ GX Battle Boost, SM12a Tag All Stars. The set for this year, could be the set after S4 Ashtonihsing Volt Tackle, S4a, the October slot.

tl;dr: There is little chance they will throw in a Full Art card in our sets, that hasn’t been released yet in Japan. And if it releases in Japan afterwards, high chance it will come as a promo card afterwards in English.

I am curious what they will do in our upcoming September Mini Set Sword & Shield 3.5. Little information is known about this set, but so far the release date doesn’t line up very good with the Japanese sets. It would have made more sense if it would release in October. If you want more information on why that set doesn’t line up, please let me know. Because I have lots to say about that aswell. I hope it all makes sense to you now.

It clears it up somewhat, have we ever gotten a VMAX card without the regular full art V version of it?

Meowth V and VMAX was released as a promo in Japan and as a V Box here in English. So far, no Full Art V Meowth. I expect a better rarity to come in Japan’s S4a October Reprint set like I mentioned before Time will tell.

[firebirder31]

I mean Charizard vmax is the box and pack art of Darkness Ablaze right, so I would be very surprised if Zard V, Vmax, rainbow vmax and FA V are not included in the set. I could maybe see Charizard V Full Art not making it but would be very surprised if vmax didn’t. Every Vmax card in the regular sets have had a rainbow hyper rare version so far, I would be very surprised if they stopped that, especially only for charizard.

Just my thoughts but only time will tell. Potentially up to 4 Zard chase cards in the new set.

[primallugia]

@firebirder31

I mean Charizard vmax is the box and pack art of Darkness Ablaze right, so I would be very surprised if Zard V, Vmax, rainbow vmax and FA V are not included in the set. I could maybe see Charizard V Full Art not making it but would be very surprised if vmax didn’t. Every Vmax card in the regular sets have had a rainbow hyper rare version so far, I would be very surprised if they stopped that, especially only for charizard.

Just my thoughts but only time will tell. Potentially up to 4 Zard chase cards in the new set.

Pack arts don’t mean anything. Why ? Tell me where you see Full Art, Special Art and Hyper Rare versions of these two Tag Team GX cards in Unified Minds Both originally GX Starter Deck cards from Japan (see my reply to Desi earlier today).

What I am trying to tell: The odds are very low for HR VMAX Charizard and Full Art Charizard V to come over here, and especially as a set release for Darkness Ablaze.

Keep your expectations low and be surprised if they will get a release outside of Asia, because it has never happened before all these years.

Like I mentioned before, all of these Shield Battle promo’s, Masked Royal, Zekrom and Mewtwo (The 1st place and Top 4 Promos) have never seen a release outside of Asia.

Like i said yesterday:

Jul 3, 2020 8:14:48 GMT 2 PrimalLugia said:

Frustration and excitement will come among (Charizard) collectors, that I can guarantee you. Alot of collectors were expecting this HR to come in English at some point (absolutely not in Darkness Ablaze).

[effectspore]

If you don’t own one of these cards when they come out, you shouldn’t call yourself a real collector

[chrispy]

Stop feeding the babys!

[Quuador]

@effectspore

If you don’t own one of these cards when they come out, you shouldn’t call yourself a real collector

Lol, so there are potentially only 600 real collectors in the near future, of which most are winning players from Japan who refuse to sell their prize?

Greetz,
Quuador