What Pokemon do you loathe and why?

[kaldoverde]

@tonysandlin

@kaldoverde

Not a fan of inanimate objects being pokemon so any of those would go on my loathed list, with Klefki being top 5.

I do understand Japan’s animist culture may play a role in these decisions, but Pokemon were inspired by nature, and with millions of weird/cute/interesting animals in the world, why the hell do we need everyday objects to become Pokemon?

‘Hey kid, wanna see something really creative and exciting to collect? I put googly eyes on a pen and called it Handwritix. It’s a Pokemon now, go catch it!’

Pokemon may have been technically inspired by insects, but design inspirations have always been rooted more so in Japanese monsters/mythos. Probably half of gen 1 Pokemon were inspired by some sort of Japanese folklore monster.

I specifically stated animist culture and nature as playing a role in the decisions. Japanese folklore monsters reflect that same integration between nature and gods, but one thing is to have ninetales and another thing is to have a keychain pokemon which has absolutely nothing to do with folklore or nature.

[kaldoverde]

@qwachansey

1. Audino
The design strikes me as “let’s take a beloved simple design (Chansey) and try to make it cuter with anime-style big eyes”. Absolute trash Chansey wanna-be. Getting a GX and Mega form in the TCG adds salt to the wound as these cards could have gone to Chansey or at least Blissey.

2. Indeedee

Now you have someone looking at Audino and thinking “let’s make this even uglier!”. Once again, this piece of crap got a Shiny V in Shiny Star V that could have been Chansey’s spot.

**General dislike but not personal loathing:

-** Rillaboom, Cinderace, Incineroar – all printed to shit and ugly almost every time. Inteleon was OK but SWSH was the first time I’ve genuinely considered never evolving my chosen starter. Disappointing since the Basics had potential.

• Monkey trio – nothing positive to say about them

• Zygarde final form – “Maybe if we add enough generic “cool” things like spikes and scales and wings this will look awesome!” no it looks over-designed and busy. Forgettable.

@qwachansey, you’ve got nothing to complain about regarding Chansey releases. That absolutely stunning sowsow Chansey from hidden fates should help you find solace in not getting a Chansey V with a sh**ty 5ban design.

[qwachansey]

@kaldoverde, the last few have indeed been great but it’s been 25 years I want a damn Shiny Chansey!

[tonysandlin]

@kaldoverde, Klefki is a fantastic design and may not point to specific lore, but has roots in the myth that fairies steal household items. Great concept. More thought put into it than just literal animal becomes Pokemon.

[cosrob]

Ive never liked so many post in one thread before.

Most that i loathe has already been posted.

[kromaticlanturn]

@cosrob

Ive never liked so many post in one thread before.

Most that i loathe has already been posted.

Haha!! I started off trying to like all of the posts here…I had no idea that so many people would be so passionate about mons they strongly dislike. I agree 110% about every Pokemon mentioned in this thread so far that I’ve seen. I’m starting to wonder if I actually dislike more Pokemon designs than I like.

[brendantheclayboy]

@tonysandlin

@kaldoverde , Klefki is a fantastic design and may not point to specific lore, but has roots in the myth that fairies steal household items. Great concept. More thought put into it than just literal animal becomes Pokemon.

There’s no way you’re not just trolling everybody at this point.

My living room rug has roots in the fact that my feet are used to walk on it. So my new pokemon design is ruggety. It was motivated and thought out with a purpose, so it is acceptable… great even, right? IT IS CLEARLY LAZY AND UNINSPIRED. How 'bout the goddamn ice cream cone!?

Like it or not, but Pokemon, the thing all the people on this forum (and the world for that matter), for the most part at least, fell in love with, originated as Pocket Monsters based on insects/animals and organic living creatures that have a relationship and synchronicity with our natural world and draw from spiritual conceptual ideas like Shintoism, harmony and love with nature and energy. Early inorganic Pokemon were birthed out of the idea that such energies and natural and believable phenomena manifested itself in different ways, and were thus believable, or at least accepted.

You can’t just trash what is the core and root of this very institution as a basis for defending the mutation (or evolution) of its core to introduce new stuff for future generations to keep a fanbase and maintain being interesting. New people came in and had different ideas, and retroactively, but in many cases, haphazardly tried to tie it together with the past generations. If you are gonna sit here and argue that “literal animal” becomes pokemon is a negative quality, when every aspect of even the most animal-like pokemon is sheer originality in every aspect of their creation and personality outside of the likeness of the animal it is based on (and even then, their animal-ness is part of the allure and beauty of Pokemon…), that all the characteristics they have are cohesive and harmonious with the rest of the designs of their similar counterparts and indeed most if not all early pokemon, that it took VISION to bring all these original creations to life from the minds of just a few people that did what ARTISTS do and take inspiration from pre-existing surroundings of their reality on one hand and on the other their imagination and conceptualism and morph the two with artistic coherency, I’m sure I won’t be the only one who will laugh at you, here in this community of people who like Pokemon. Ekans and Arbok have so much character that I couldn’t entertain anyone’s idea that they are lazy and uninspired. They are memorable… as hell. At that point it’s just like, why do you even claim to like Pokemon? Aren’t they all just stupid?

If you wanted Pokemon to be different from what it was at the start, that’s different. Sure, go create something. But it was what it was. Now they are objectively changing it to something different. And that has caused a schism or dichotomy in the appreciation of the Mon’s between generations. This is why it is always brought up. It’s a real thing. Debating on that point forward you’d have to engage in the idea that at some point Pokemon clearly changed entirely, and it isn’t a question of which you hate, it is a question of what do you want Pokemon to be? This is effectively the reasoning behind why many prefer one main generation (1-2, possibly 3), or the other (4-now), where the stylistic split and change occured. And some people like them all, even though different artists are now adding to a franchise, which, as said, spells out objective and new directional change which artistically leads to a lack of universal and world-building cohesiveness.

But, if you’re just messing with everybody, then… nevermind. I was amused and you are funny and have a good sense of humor!

[scizorkick]

Galarian Mr. Mime. Reminds me of live-action Sonic before the design was revamped. The stuff of nightmares, I tell you!

[gott006]

Probably that recent drawing of diglett with a hand under the ground.

[kaldoverde]

@tonysandlin

@kaldoverde , Klefki is a fantastic design and may not point to specific lore, but has roots in the myth that fairies steal household items. Great concept. More thought put into it than just literal animal becomes Pokemon.

Cool story, bro!

[draug]

@kaldoverde

@tonysandlin

@kaldoverde , Klefki is a fantastic design and may not point to specific lore, but has roots in the myth that fairies steal household items. Great concept. More thought put into it than just literal animal becomes Pokemon.

Cool story, bro!

I see Kelfki, Chandelure, Polteageist etc. as examples of Tsukumogami which is a cool concept. I for one like that type of Pokémon.

[kingboo64]

Everyone whining about klefki and chandelure when geodude is literally a rock with arms

[muk]

I dislike every Pokemon that is either humanoid, object-like, is a machine-weapon-animal hybrid (looking at you, Blastoise) or is defying physics by floating (legenderies get a pass on the latter). I guess that accounts for like 70 % of all Pokemon. I just pretend they don’t exist.

[ascendedbidoof]

This is probably going to rustle some jimmies but Charmander is probably my least favorite Pokemon. It has such an uninspired design, like they just made a lizard stand up and called it a day. You can’t even tell that it’s a fire type lol.

[nish]

@ascendedbidoof

This is probably going to rustle some jimmies but Charmander is probably my least favorite Pokemon. It has such an uninspired design, like they just made a lizard stand up and called it a day. You can’t even tell that it’s a fire type lol.

Can I screenshot this post and put it in Efour memes thread?

[ldubbs]

@ascendedbidoof

This is probably going to rustle some jimmies but Charmander is probably my least favorite Pokemon. It has such an uninspired design, like they just made a lizard stand up and called it a day. You can’t even tell that it’s a fire type lol.

That is a digimon sir

[shinycards]

Older rarer minter better. In general the newer they are, the less I like them

[ascendedbidoof]

@nish

@ascendedbidoof

This is probably going to rustle some jimmies but Charmander is probably my least favorite Pokemon. It has such an uninspired design, like they just made a lizard stand up and called it a day. You can’t even tell that it’s a fire type lol.

Can I screenshot this post and put it in Efour memes thread?

Absolutely

[neo]

I’m sorry but Stunfisk takes the cake on this one. Just an awful design. I’d be surprised if any kid in the universe had this as one of their 6 party Pokémon.

[jackdaw]

@brendantheclayboy

@tonysandlin

@kaldoverde , Klefki is a fantastic design and may not point to specific lore, but has roots in the myth that fairies steal household items. Great concept. More thought put into it than just literal animal becomes Pokemon.

There’s no way you’re not just trolling everybody at this point.

For the last 3 gens theres only been a couple of ‘manmade item pokemon’. The worst offender was Gen 5.

Gen1:2 Gen2:1 Gen3:1 Gen4:2 Gen5:5 Gen6:2 Gen7:2 Gen8:2

Personally, I think Gen 8 has some of the best thematic designs, but thats probably because I’m from the UK!

On topic I passionately despise DracoZolt, DracoVish, and Eiscue.