I completely agree with this. The copyright date and the fact that the “Green” code cards were not present in those roaring skies “reprint” packs is what spoke to me. Why would they reprint a set due to the most valuable card in standard play being valuable, only to have the chance for players to get them swept away by money hungry pack weighers? It doesn’t make sense. (Then again, neither does mapping…) As long as the copyright dates stay the same and there’s not 2 different code cards, I personally think it’s just overstock from warehouses. It could be how some old packs end up in boxes and tins and such. Why they are releasing it in “limited quantities” now is anyone’s guess.
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Here’s my thoughts. I’m more of a lurker here (and a Yu-Gi-Oh collector) but I’m pissed. If links are not allowed please let me know and I will remove it.
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Will these cards be identical to the original?
Considering everything stated, the back-stock makes more sense to me.
Also, Flashfire is probably too old for a re-release. Both sets with back-stock or re-release are still in standard.
I have no idea anymore what’s going on in this hobby, new sets are released almost too fast and now we have to worry about reprints of sets that are just 2-3 years old.
Yeah that’s probably next step, so many people will be angry if the announcement comes.
Well we will know for sure if they are in fact reprinted and not just old stock because the original print run of Primal Clash was very poor compared to Evolutions, if they use current print stock it will be Gem 10s everywhere for the EXs
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Just wondering if there are many playable cards from primal clash? I don’t quite understand this decision half as much as I did roaring skies which has (M)Ray/shaymin to make sense of it with.
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I don’t get it… I was already very surprised to see Roaring Skies being re-released, but that at least had both TCG meta and collectible items. But what’s so special about Primal Clash? Why this set in particular?
If any information pops up whether this is just some (read A LOT) of booster boxes found in some forgotten warehouse, or an actual reprint (with changed copyright date I might add), post it here in this thread.
Personally I don’t have any disadvantages of it, but I can imagine that the booster box/pack collector’s out there might not be very thrilled about these recent developments… 
Roaring Skies was originally released on May 6th, 2015 and Primal Clash on February 4th, 2015.
What will be next, Phantom Forces (November 5th 2014), Ancient Origins (August 12th, 2015), no more other sets?
I’m curious where this will be going in the future.
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I have a theory.
I think they’ve over printed sets like Breakthrough, Breakpoint etc which is leading them to have an oversupply.
This oversupply is being pushed into more tins, specialty boxes and blisters. This possibly limits the opportunity to have the left over Primal Clash and Roaring Skies packs put in those items, because they are way easier to sell in sealed boxes. In the end I think products that were originally planned to have Primal and Roaring are now getting the Breakpoint/through stuff they are struggling to sell as sealed boxes.
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TPCI theoretically being run by logical humans you would think they would hugely stress that this is a back-stock as opposed to a reprint if that were the case. Everyone says players love this, but there still must be some players out there who buy their playsets of full art shaymins, primal groudons, acro bikes, etc. at full price only for a reprint to crash the values on them. The volumes just don’t seem realistic to be a backstock. Roaring skies also had way more interest than expected, so came out in two waves. Why would a back stock need two waves that are about 3 weeks apart to ship?
“probably too old” is probably not comforting for those sitting on cases that they didn’t buy at distributor pricing. Even bought at $80-90 a box I would be pissed to see a reprint that causes my value on paper to regress back to what I paid for it 2-3 years prior when it was sitting at +2-300% the day before the announcement.
Seems like the collecting community would probably love a chance to get flashfire boxes at $90 again, who wouldn’t? If TPCI keeps thinking with this mentality, what stops them from going back as far as they can?
There are a few decent trainers AFAIK just from what I sell them for on eBay. Acro bike, rare candy, rough seas, dive ball, prof. birch obs. I think all find their way into a fair few decks. As far as Poke’s I think Primal Groudon used to be a thing, but I have no idea now. No card in this set was reaching shaymin levels at all.
I’m still kind of surprised how little shaymin prices seem to have decreased because of this. I would have expected a real crash, but they still seem to be at $40 ex and $50 full art.
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With shaymin I think the extra supply has the demand to not take a price hit, basically every deck runs at least one shaymin as it isn’t specific to making one type of deck work between. Have other cards in the set tanked at all?
Not really sure as I haven’t sold singles from that set in quite some time. I bought some of the reprint but just keeping those sealed.
Just for the benefit of everyone, this is most definitely a reprint. I specifically asked both of my suppliers and made sure to be very specific in the wording and they both confirmed that this was advertised to them as a reprint. As to the copyright dates, card stock, code cards and all that pointing towards a warehouse find for roaring skies, I just don’t buy it for one second. I don’t know why they would roll back some of their recent production updates to make the reprint, but it seems as that is what they had done. The roaring skies came in two waves which also points away from it being old stock. AFAIK it sounds like Primal Clash has been sold to distributors in strict allocations and will not be having a second wave.
What actual evidence states these are reprints vs a re-release? From everything we currently know, these sound more like re-releases, not full on reprints.
More specifically, If you look at base set, the copyright was different for each release. The most obvious being the 4th print, which is commonly referred to as “base 2000”, because of its different copyright that included the year 2000, when it was printed.
The fact these are allocated leans on some type of re-release more than a full reprint.
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I just got off the phone with my distibutor, they confirmed this is a limited stock, not a full reprint.
No actual evidence just two various suppliers both confirming that the specific wording in their correspondence from Pokemon directly used the wording “reprint”.
Counter evidence to old stock. These points and the word from my distributors lead me to believe a reprint.
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Quantity. There were thousands of cases if not tens of thousands of cases in the roaring skies re-release. Do we think these could have been misplaced? I would imagine maybe a couple hundred could go on a pallet if they stack them really crazy high and tight, but I doubt hundreds of pallets could be misplaced.
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Two wave nature of roaring skies re release. Released in two waves because of surprising demand levels. If it was old stock, the exact number would have been easily quantifiable and no need for a second wave. Although hundreds of pallets are a lot of stock, there would be no need to wait three weeks to have trucks shipping them about. They could easily have gotten tens of thousands of cases where they needed to all at once. Or at least only a week apart or something. The 3 week delay certainly felt like a production delay in a produce-to-demand scenario.
I just got off the phone with one of my distributors, they confirmed this is a restock, not a full reprint. They also added there will be less stock than roaring skies.
I think we are saying the same things, but the wording is exceptionally important here.
One time restock, yes. Via printing of new cards though, not just found old stock. Single wave “reprint” and single wave “restock” are both true, but “reprint” is the key as “restock” could be misunderstood to simply mean they found old stock and are newly making it available.
Freshly printing this as it is an “out of print” set just as roaring skies was is again concerning. Is phantom forces next? Ancient Origins?
If stock is intentionally withheld and strategically re-released, “found” becomes a misnomer. And while I don’t have sufficient information to make an educated guess on why they would do that, nothing about this is conventional anyway.
If they were going through the trouble to re-print the set(s) wouldn’t you assume they would produce enough to fill the volume of orders they had and then some? Not limit supply to X amount? What’s the point of taking a limited number of orders if they are reprinting? Machines are fired up, may as well fill demand.
I’m firmly on the bandwagon of they lost a truck of cards and now they are being “re-released”.
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