WTB nice PSA7 thick stamp 1st edition zard

[spinch]

@britishcolumbiazards

@spinch

I’ve only skimmed over this thread but has lexleo talked the OP out of buying this card just to swoop in and buy it himself? Or have I missed something…

No, for the most part that’s what happened. He has offered to sell it to me now for what it was listed for, but unfortunately I had a deal with the seller for a couple hundred that is no longer available to me. . Lex says he bought it in order to snag it up for me just in case someone else bought it. With the intention of selling it for the same price, and if I didn’t want it to re-list for more. But yeah it was a little wierd. I’m choosing to see lex’s actions as good intentions though at this point. He has been nothing but supportive.

Wow that’s a disgrace. I think your belief that his actions are noble might be misguided and he may be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

He said he ‘bought it for you just in case someone else snagged it up’. If he really wanted to help you he wouldn’t have said things like
“Its a 7 at roughly peak market price” and arguing that it mightn’t be as good as people claim. Instead he would have said YOU should buy it and if YOU’RE not happy with it then you can resell it.

I feel he’s just taking advantage and profiteering off of a new member here. I remember when I was brand new here and I would trust these types of assertive opinions. He’s seen you’re willing to pay this much, bought it and then offered to sell it to you via PM (and making 10% back off of the eBay fees). And if you don’t want it he’ll pump up the price on eBay. I thought he said it was ‘peak market value’?

[poken00b88]

@spinch

@britishcolumbiazards

No, for the most part that’s what happened. He has offered to sell it to me now for what it was listed for, but unfortunately I had a deal with the seller for a couple hundred that is no longer available to me. . Lex says he bought it in order to snag it up for me just in case someone else bought it. With the intention of selling it for the same price, and if I didn’t want it to re-list for more. But yeah it was a little wierd. I’m choosing to see lex’s actions as good intentions though at this point. He has been nothing but supportive.

Wow that’s a disgrace. I think your belief that his actions are noble might be misguided and he may be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

He said he ‘bought it for you just in case someone else snagged it up’. If he really wanted to help you he wouldn’t have said things like
“Its a 7 at roughly peak market price” and arguing that it mightn’t be as good as people claim. Instead he would have said YOU should buy it and if YOU’RE not happy with it then you can resell it.

I feel he’s just taking advantage and profiteering off of a new member here. I remember when I was brand new here and I would trust these types of assertive opinions. He’s seen you’re willing to pay this much, bought it and then offered to sell it to you via PM (and making 10% back off of the eBay fees). And if you don’t want it he’ll pump up the price on eBay. I thought he said it was ‘peak market value’?

Yeah I think it’s bullshit. I have no other way to put it.

[lexleo]

Okay, so where’s the “bullshit” part? Is the card not available to BCZards for the same price that I bought it for? (I assure you, it is.)

(The Shakespearen twist I mentioned earlier was that the seller unexpectedly and unbeknownst to me offered BCZards a $200 discount and that that deal is no longer available because I bought the card.)

Ask any questions you wish! (Indeed, interrogate my position as I interrogate yours.) But don’t charge wrongdoing without first understanding the relevant facts!

[poken00b88]

So you claim to have paid full ebay price? That’s the bullshit part.

[lexleo]

@poken00b88

So you claim to have paid full ebay price? That’s the bullshit part.

Go to the completed listing on eBay and note the price?

I don’t see why that wouldn’t be sufficient (also message the seller and ask if you wish). But if BCZards wanted a screenshot of my PayPal payment or something, I’d be happy to give that to him.

[poken00b88]

This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available.

That’s what I see. Not SOLD for $1999.95

The seller has an account here on efour. Anyone with a brain would have tried getting 5-10% discount minimum. There’s no way you bought this through paypal for $2k.

[lexleo]

@poken00b88

This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available.

That’s what I see. Not SOLD for $1999.95

The seller has an account here on efour. Anyone with a brain would have tried getting 5-10% discount minimum. There’s no way you bought this through paypal for $2k.

Oops, by your principle, I don’t have a brain!

And I’m not sure why it says that on eBay, but I assure you that I bought it via eBay and paid full price.

If he has an account here, why don’t you ask him?

[pfm]

I don’t claim to know why lexleo did what he claims to have done, nor do I really think their true intention matters in this situation.
So let’s get the facts straight.
1)BCzards asks for a PSA 7
2)A decent one is shared in the thread
3)A few members point out it’s a nice 7, lexleo challenges them while not necessarily disagreeing. His intention is unclear but can be construed as downplaying the quality of the card
4)lexleo buys the card, allegedly though ebay at full cost, let’s assume this is true.

Why though? That’s my question. Did he buy it because he wanted it? so he scooped it before BCzards could commit? I mean, it’s a bit of a dick move but realistically it’s a public auction so anyone can grab it.

But to claim that this was done on BCzard’s behalf…? How do you even argue that? Did you talk to BCzard before buying the card for them? How is taking ebay out of the picture beneficial for BCzard here? Now either lexleo or BCzard will have to shoulder the risk of making sure the card gets to BC?? Are you going to take a hit on the paypal fees lexleo, or are you going to avoid fees and shift the risk to BCzard?
Lexleo decides to burden himself with thousands of dollars of risk on the off chance someone buys the cards before BCzard does?? Just seems like shade city to me.

@britishcolumbiazards personally, I’d just consider this a loss and look for another card. If you really want this Charizard, I suggest being more quick to commit to a good one when you see it because as you can tell, these cards don’t last long.

[lexleo]

@pfm

I don’t claim to know why lexleo did what he claims to have done, nor do I really think their true intention matters in this situation.
So let’s get the facts straight.
1)BCzards asks for a PSA 7
2)A decent one is shared in the thread
3)A few members point out it’s a nice 7, lexleo challenges them while not necessarily disagreeing. His intention is unclear but can be construed as downplaying the quality of the card
4)lexleo buys the card, allegedly though ebay at full cost, let’s assume this is true.

Why though? That’s my question. Did he buy it because he wanted it? so he scooped it before BCzards could commit? I mean, it’s a bit of a dick move but realistically it’s a public auction so anyone can grab it.

But to claim that this was done on BCzard’s behalf…? How do you even argue that? Did you talk to BCzard before buying the card for them? How is taking ebay out of the picture beneficial for BCzard here? Now either lexleo or BCzard will have to shoulder the risk of making sure the card gets to BC?? Are you going to take a hit on the paypal fees lexleo, or are you going to avoid fees and shift the risk to BCzard?
Lexleo decides to burden himself with thousands of dollars of risk on the off chance someone buys the cards before BCzard does?? Just seems like shade city to me.

@britishcolumbiazards personally, I’d just consider this a loss and look for another card. If you really want this Charizard, I suggest being more quick to commit to a good one when you see it because as you can tell, these cards don’t last long.

In my opinion, there are two probable scenarios here:

(1) I break even financially (by selling the card for the price I bought it for plus shipping) but help BCZ (something, he correctly noted earlier, I’ve wanted to do from the start).

(2) I profit by selling the card for more than I bought it for in the near future.

You’ve correctly identified the possibility that the $2000 invested could lead to a loss. But I believe the card is solidly valued at that much and will climb in the near future (hence my win-win appraisal of the above two scenarios).

My only regret is being unaware of the possibility of a $200 discount and possibly costing BCZ that discount.

Does this summary answer your questions?

[ssjc]

@lexleo

@poken00b88

This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available.

That’s what I see. Not SOLD for $1999.95

The seller has an account here on efour. Anyone with a brain would have tried getting 5-10% discount minimum. There’s no way you bought this through paypal for $2k.

I don’t have a brain!

I knew it

[pfm]

@lexleo

@pfm

I don’t claim to know why lexleo did what he claims to have done, nor do I really think their true intention matters in this situation.
So let’s get the facts straight.
1)BCzards asks for a PSA 7
2)A decent one is shared in the thread
3)A few members point out it’s a nice 7, lexleo challenges them while not necessarily disagreeing. His intention is unclear but can be construed as downplaying the quality of the card
4)lexleo buys the card, allegedly though ebay at full cost, let’s assume this is true.

Why though? That’s my question. Did he buy it because he wanted it? so he scooped it before BCzards could commit? I mean, it’s a bit of a dick move but realistically it’s a public auction so anyone can grab it.

But to claim that this was done on BCzard’s behalf…? How do you even argue that? Did you talk to BCzard before buying the card for them? How is taking ebay out of the picture beneficial for BCzard here? Now either lexleo or BCzard will have to shoulder the risk of making sure the card gets to BC?? Are you going to take a hit on the paypal fees lexleo, or are you going to avoid fees and shift the risk to BCzard?
Lexleo decides to burden himself with thousands of dollars of risk on the off chance someone buys the cards before BCzard does?? Just seems like shade city to me.

@britishcolumbiazards personally, I’d just consider this a loss and look for another card. If you really want this Charizard, I suggest being more quick to commit to a good one when you see it because as you can tell, these cards don’t last long.

In my opinion, there are two probable scenarios here:

(1) I break even financially (by selling the card for the price I bought it for plus shipping) but help BCZ (something, he correctly noted earlier, I’ve wanted to do from the start).

(2) I profit by selling the card for more than I bought it for in the near future.

You’ve correctly identified the possibility that the $2000 invested could lead to a loss. But I believe the card is solidly valued at that much and will climb in the near future (hence my win-win appraisal of the above two scenarios).

My only regret is being unaware of the possibility of a $200 discount and possibly costing BCZ that discount.

Does this summary answer your questions?

I don’t have an issue with 2. I am questioning 1.

By invoking 1 you create another dichotomy

A) you are a bit of a dick or
B) you are naive

This situation is not win-win as you believe. Let’s say BCzard wants the card. How will you complete this transaction?

I) Go through ebay. You take pay ebay fees and PayPal fees. Not a win.

II) Go through PayPal (F&F). You break even. BCzard takes a $2k risk to trust you not to screw him over. Who pays if the card is lost? Not a win.

III) Go through PayPal normally. Someone has to pay the fees. You have to trust BCzard not to scam you. Not a win.

IV) In person transaction. Someone has to drive or buy a plane ticket when they would otherwise not needed to. Not a win.

Is there a way I missed where no extra risk or cost comes to either of you?

Therefore, from this I can only conclude that you either didn’t think this far ahead (naive) or are purposely disguising your purchase as an altruistic gesture (not cool)

I’m not really too concerned about your true intention here, I’m just commenting based on how I, and likely others, perceive this situation. Unfortunately in a market where transactions depend on trust, even a question mark can be very damaging.

[lexleo]

We can do a f/f payment if BCZ feels comfortable–given that he’ll have my name, address, decade-old eBay account, and university email–but the 2.9% PayPal fee that would otherwise be taken from the $2000 wouldn’t be a net cost to me: I made 3% when I bought the card (2% on my credit card and 1% on eBay).

Do you now understand how I would break even for the benefit of helping BCZ?

Feel free to ask additional questions.

[cullers]

@lexleo

We can do a f/f payment if BCZ feels comfortable–given that he’ll have my name, address, decade-old eBay account, and university email–but the 2.9% PayPal fee that would otherwise be taken from the $2000 wouldn’t be a net cost to me: I made 3% when I bought the card (2% on my credit card and 1% on eBay).

Do you now understand how I would break even for the benefit of helping BCZ?

Feel free to ask additional questions.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but we live with our reputatations. I hope you enjoy how you’re coming off on this thread. Personally, I wouldn’t have taken claim to being the one who bought it if I were in your shoes. You clearly had something against other posters opinions, and you’re now clearly not trying to help out a member with no anterior motive behind it.

Like I said, I couldn’t care less about this issue. If you want to buy it, it wasn’t claimed by anyone, and you’re just as entitled to it as anyone else. Claiming you’re looking out for another member… clearly you’re not.

[lexleo]

@cullers

@lexleo

We can do a f/f payment if BCZ feels comfortable–given that he’ll have my name, address, decade-old eBay account, and university email–but the 2.9% PayPal fee that would otherwise be taken from the $2000 wouldn’t be a net cost to me: I made 3% when I bought the card (2% on my credit card and 1% on eBay).

Do you now understand how I would break even for the benefit of helping BCZ?

Feel free to ask additional questions.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but we live with our reputatations. I hope you enjoy how you’re coming off on this thread. Personally, I wouldn’t have taken claim to being the one who bought it if I were in your shoes. You clearly had something against other posters opinions, and you’re now clearly not trying to help out a member with no anterior motive behind it.

Like I said, I couldn’t care less about this issue. If you want to buy it, it wasn’t claimed by anyone, and you’re just as entitled to it as anyone else. Claiming you’re looking out for another member… clearly you’re not.

Care to explain?

[cullers]

@lexleo

@cullers

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but we live with our reputatations. I hope you enjoy how you’re coming off on this thread. Personally, I wouldn’t have taken claim to being the one who bought it if I were in your shoes. You clearly had something against other posters opinions, and you’re now clearly not trying to help out a member with no anterior motive behind it.

Like I said, I couldn’t care less about this issue. If you want to buy it, it wasn’t claimed by anyone, and you’re just as entitled to it as anyone else. Claiming you’re looking out for another member… clearly you’re not.

Care to explain?

The thread. Would you like to explain why you feel differently?

[lexleo]

@cullers

@lexleo

Care to explain?

The thread. Would you like to explain why you feel differently?

You haven’t explained your disagreement with the argument as to why buying the card was a win-win (whether for BCZ or, otherwise, for me).

Before you crashed the thread, the last person interested in the issue had not responded to the point about the fees. Do you have something to add?

Simply stating your unsupported conclusion is not helpful. And you’re distracting from the chain of reasoning we were following.

[cullers]

@lexleo

@cullers

The thread. Would you like to explain why you feel differently?

You haven’t explained your disagreement with the argument as to why buying the card was a win-win (whether for BCZ or, otherwise, for me).

Before you crashed the thread, the last person interested in the issue had not responded to the point about the fees. Do you have something to add?

Simply stating your unsupported conclusion is not helpful. And you’re distracting from the chain of reasoning we were following.

I’m not arguing with you. I don’t have an issue with what you’ve done. However, the justifications for your actions are just false. You said you did It to help another member, you didn’t. You admited you did it to benefit yourself. Aka your reputation isn’t in a win-win situation, you’re coming off as a shaddy guy only looking out for himself.

[lexleo]

@cullers

@lexleo

You haven’t explained your disagreement with the argument as to why buying the card was a win-win (whether for BCZ or, otherwise, for me).

Before you crashed the thread, the last person interested in the issue had not responded to the point about the fees. Do you have something to add?

Simply stating your unsupported conclusion is not helpful. And you’re distracting from the chain of reasoning we were following.

I’m not arguing with you. I don’t have an issue with what you’ve done. Your justifications are just false. You said you did It to help another member, you didn’t. You admited you did it to benefit yourself.

If you don’t understand how the two possibilities coexist–the win-win is breaking even to help BCZ (a benefit to me) or selling the card to profit (a benefit to me)–please read above.

BCZ understands (and will be getting the card), and perhaps flyingpokemansmaster and pokenbroski now understand after reading my answers to their questions.

[Pbali]

I’m not sure if this is a possibility, but maybe Rusty could cancel the sale and give BCZ the $200 dollar discount sale back? Then everybody would be happy

[pfm]

@lexleo

We can do a f/f payment if BCZ feels comfortable–given that he’ll have my name, address, decade-old eBay account, and university email–but the 2.9% PayPal fee that would otherwise be taken from the $2000 wouldn’t be a net cost to me: I made 3% when I bought the card (2% on my credit card and 1% on eBay).

Do you now understand how I would break even for the benefit of helping BCZ?

Feel free to ask additional questions.

Yeah, sorry, I’m not buying it. If you fail to account for risk and liability, you are being foolish. I think that’s all I have to say on the matter.