Everything you just said assumes there’s a shipping charge. There is not.
For example:
Seller A sells a PSA 10 1st Neo Lugia for 100,000.00 total
Seller B sells a PSA 10 1st Neo Lugia for 100,000.00 total
One listed and added a shipping charge to it and the other did not. What’s the difference. The buyers paid the exact same amount so who cares if one had free shipping and one had 900,000.00 shipping?
So, since most people can grasp the logic without an explanation, I simply say, “There’s no such thing as a shipping charge”
Not entirely sure of the full details, but Yahoo auction does have the shipping price available on screen, so it shouldn’t be hidden. And it’s likely on the buyer to ask a question about international shipping beforehand if it isn’t covered in the description. Also, If the item is only attainable from Japan, and the market price is overall willing to pay for shipping costs, then the price is effectively whatever shipping +item is added together.
Therefore the guy could offer a lower shipping cost, but he would likely increase the price of the card itself. If there are other cheaper options of the same card in the same condition readily available, then it’s on the seller if their product never sells. No reason to blacklist someone for insane shipping prices, that’s their prerogative if they don’t want their item to move.
However, form what I’ve seen, it seems that some Japanese sellers don’t want to deal with foreign customers in general. Too many problems can come from it. So high international shipping costs are also one to keep things local to Japan. It’s not too uncommon for sellers to not accept orders from buyee or other middleman options.
I understand what you mean, but what about this example:
Seller A sells an amazing rare kyogre for 500 yen + ? yen shipping.
Seller B sells an amazing rare kyogre for 500 yen + ? yen shipping.
After you know the total, seller A totals out to be 2500 yen and seller B totals out to be 600 yen. Because seller A charged 2000 yen for shipping and seller B charged 100 yen for shipping. (I know you say there is no shipping charge but I would not know how to say it otherwise.)
That is why I said this list should not be called a blacklist, but it is nice to know that these sellers “charge” a large amount for shipping beforehand.
@pigeonsyndicate
I should have said buyee, which is where the domestic shipping costs are hidden. The seller technically keeps the sale domestically and no extra effort or problems for the seller.
I have dealt with vzisj86231 and nanaironanairo2000 before and with their tactics they target international customers buying through middleman services. I wont be buying from them again.
When using buyee most of the time you only find out the shipping charge after the item ships, they rarely state ahead of time. They simply list which party the responsibility falls on (winner/seller).
Maybe this is easier to understand. Calculate what an item will cost you then base your bid on that info. Don’t concern yourself with any seller tactics.
Yeah, I see what you’re saying @thymeee. So the item is shipped to a depot in Japan and buyee handles the international aspect of shipping? If that’s the case, then how does the JP seller have the ability to affect the shipping costs handed to you? Or did they do a “Pay on delivery” charge after the fact and buyee has to eat the cost, so they pass it on to you? Sometimes I get burned because of the pay on delivery fee that some sellers will charge, it’s quite pricey. I’ve never used Buyee, so I’m actually kinda clueless here, sadly.
I understand what you mean, but when using Buyee you cant calculate what an item will cost beforehand so you just have to expect an average amount of shipping, singles are normally around 100 yen. The 2 sellers I listed earlier “charge” around 2000 yen.
@pigeonsyndicate
I dont think the seller changes the shipping costs or do a pay on delivery method. Their shipping is just set to 2000 yen, but when an unsuspecting buyer is bidding on a single card and expecting a shipping charge of around 100 yen not knowing the final shipping charge, you can get burned. But that is the risk someone must be willing to take, which I am fine with, I just will not buy from them again.
Maybe you can buy via buyee but check the listing on yahoo to see the shipping charge so you can know the shipping beforehand, never thought about that, seems like a nice way to prevent this problem.
Correct, buyee fronts the money for the domestic shipping cost, then once it arrives to their depot they bundle that shipping cost into your international shipping cost from them. Each package you receive has a line item for all the items in the package, and how much their individual shipping costs were in addition to your DHL shipping cost. It’s the name of the game for using that platform, unless you have the ability to buy directly from a seller and not use the middleman.
There is no way of knowing you’re going to be charged $20 for shipping. Yahoo auctions JP does not list the price of shipping. If I knew I was going to be charged $20 for shipping, I just wouldn’t buy from them, and move on, especially on a $20 single. but there is nothing in the listing that says you will be charged $20 to ship 1 card, and these sellers are taking advantage of this loophole. many people on this forum have been burned by this too.
Thanks @kpod. So as long as the seller has it listed as free shipping, it is what it is when it gets to the depot. So then maybe it is something nefarious, or the seller for some reason has his natural shipping price set to 2000 yen. But either way, I don’t have enough info on the matter to really offer a full opinion, I just hope my take was valid in any way regardless of the true intentions of the seller, which we will probably never know.
It all comes down to what you already admitted anyways, @thymeee, just don’t buy from em again. However, if this is an actual problem or not, I think it is nice to at least have awareness that maybe there is an issue that should be looked at. That way if it happens to more people, we have a some forward knowledge and can get down to business faster.
“The shipping fee will be fixed at the time of transaction after it makes a successful bid”
Basically, the seller sets the shipping fee. All of this is hidden to you in buyee.
Buyee charges you for the domestic shipping fee (what it costs to ship from Seller → Buyee’s warehouse in japan) when you go to ship it to you. Here’s a recent shipment I had that includes these snorlax
That is for 4 cards, basically around $16. You can see many of my other purchases are very cheap in comparison, typically around 300 yen.
It’s just a bad tactic sellers use, and as much as I agree with you “there’s no such thing as a shipping charge”, these guys are abusing a loophole No question about it
It doesn’t surprise me it probably happens to me and I just do not notice because I do not scrutinize the invoices for shipping charges. However, I am ok with writing this off as a cost of doing business in a foreign market. The deals you can get off of YHJ outweigh these infrequent up charges imo.
so “ignorance is bliss” heh I’d rather have my $20 each time and I am spending tens of thousands on buyee per month. I can’t imagine someone who makes a few purchases, buys a $20 snorlax corocoro promo and then ends up paying $40 feels when there were many many other sellers of the card who won’t overcharge you on shipping.
It’s funny to me how something as simple as proposing a black list or avoid list is so controversial! Why should we avoid helping the less informed buyers? Everyone here has a vested interest in the market of pokemon cards growing, if you ask me!
We should be helping people not get scammed and burned! Sharing knowledge about how to succeed in pokemon tcg sorta feels like the whole point of the forum
I feel like they’re gonna end up similiar to the team rocket 20th anniversary cases. Seems to be about 4x the population for the master battle set promos compared to the Team Rocket promos ones (albeit the Rocket cases have been out a while longer). So the supply is definitely bigger for them is def bigger.
I’d say the demand is higher for the master battle set though, there’s a Pika and an amazing FA trainer. So feel like it’s still underrated as of now. Think they will end up close to the Rocket cases, but not more expensive than them if given some time.
Don’t quote me on this, but I am 99% sure the MBS also was made to order only. It could only be bought by pre order through pokemon center online (think the pre order was up for August and September).
All though I agree with the Trainers being more recognizable, there currently seems to be a “Lillie boom” in Japan so based on that I think the “Alola Friends” promo will climb in price.
I def agree like I mentioned that they shouldn’t exceed the Team Rocket case in value, but def think the MTB has potential to hit ¥400k-¥500k in short time
Hello friends, I’d appreciate if y’all take out your crystal balls real quick. Assuming you’d have a heavy JPN Base booster pack and could sell it for just short of 800 USD right now, would you do it or at least hold until the LP box break is done (or even longer)?
No question about it