Here’s a question for the forum to ponder. If the 1st ed PSA 10 charizard gets out of the casual collectors price range, what do they consider the next best thing. A PSA 9 1st Ed, or a PSA 10 Shadowless?
I’d say PSA 10 Shadowless by a mile
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If more 1st Editions Zards show up for auction the price should go down, I doubt they will ever be less than 10k now though unless like half of them up for sale in peoples attempt to cash in, in reality most people can’t afford too pay that much just like it seem you your self can’t and same here.
1st edition will always win out over shadowless, for the simply reason that its 1st edition. @smpratte summed up the collectors draw to 1st edition cards really well today in his Youtube video. Shadowless while being its own unique set will always be second to the 1st edition cards.
I think a big boost to the price of the last few auctions for PSA 10 1st edition Charizards is the fact that so many have come to auction in such a short period of time. The serious bidders were getting desperate to get the card and this drove the price up. In the last two months there have been 3 up for auction I believe and they ended around 8K, 13K and now 16K. The first one sold low and the last one sold to high in my opinion. That 10K to 13K range is what I think the value should be, but that of course is gonna shift now cause the next one that comes available will be super over priced.
Personally I would go for the shadowless has more room to grow
Wow.
To think I paid 4k for mine. 
I wish i wasnt pissed off with the edges on mine it 
Im gonna have to get one before its to late.
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I disagree with 1st edition ALWAYS ‘winning’ over shadowless, there’s a lot to consider such as population and grade. I love the 1st edition Base Set, but to rule shadowless out of the equation is naive.
PSA 10 shadowless charizard pop is 30ish while PSA 9 1st edition is 400+, I know what I’d rather have.
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yeah I believed if i had extra cash I wouldn’t want to spend more than 12k and the price should be in the 10-12 range but we will see what the next one sells for or if this one goes to the next lowest bidder, the person who won only has a 9 seller history.
Value as presented is more important than speculation value, especially when we’re talking about auction prices. The price tag is 13k-16k, anyone who wants it for lower is lowballing whomever the seller is.
@charlesh You have to keep in mind 1st editions are more substantially valuable because of their limited print. Shadowless also had a very limited print. I’m not saying PSA 10 Shadowless > PSA 9 1st Edition, I just wanted to bring up that point. I’m still on the fence on the question myself.
The Pop report for 1st edition Charizards is hugely inflated due to people regrading for a 10. Every other 1st edition holo in 9 is sitting in the 200s and even then those grades suffer from inflated numbers. While the Shadowless 10 is more rare then a 1st edition 9, it’s still only about half of the price of one. Thus I dont really ever see its value over taking a 1st ed 9.
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Are you sure about those prices? I find it VERY hard to believe PSA 10 shadowless zards are going for 1.1k
that’s because they aren’t. Last time I saw a shadowless 10 it was easily over 2k.
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I believe the winner at 16k is legit cause last week he emailed me and offered 25,000.00 for two of mine. He offered gift payment after I declined and then he said he’d do a cash pickup when I declined again.
These are the type of offers by a normally serious buyer.
Plus, about an hour ago I was contacted by pwcc about supplying the back up bidders and maybe consigning another one for auction. Again, I declined cause I don’t sell cards out of my collection.
I have to admit that due to these current events, all the haters who criticized my paying 10.8 for the BGS 10 and then turning down 18k,well…I’m getting the last laugh;) But honestly, it’s not that I was so smart. It’s that I loved the card and didn’t care about over or under paying.
About the PSA 10 shadowless or PSA 9 1st base: that is seriously a great question. I want to lean towards the shadowless cause I have quite a few but I’m really torn. I’d have to really think on that.
Part of the dilemma is population doesn’t always tell the tale. Like with Illustrators, we know there’s dozens of them, way more than some other desireable cards but it’s number 1 anyway.
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The psa 10 shadowless charizard is one of the scarcest psa10 charizards out there along with the stormfront psa10 charizard. In terms of value, one went for $3.5k best offer accepted($2.6k) in Jan of this year, just over the value of a psa9 1st ed zard, and that psa10 shadowless was restricted to only USA buyers. Print run wise, they both only had one print run, the only major difference is that coveted stamp that could easily up the value 5 times.
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Shadowless had equal if not more limited release than 1st Ed. as it was the “left over cards” as they were rushing to supply the demand
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Also there is no official shadowless product where you know wih 100% certainty that it will contain shadowless cards, making it that much harder to find mint/gemmint. At least with 1st Ed. they put the stamp on the front 
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I didnt know shadowless cards were leftovers after the stamping, i always thought they reprinted another wave. If this was the case though, could there be less shadowless cards than 1st edition? Maybe to WOTC, there were only 2 printing back then, 1st edition and unlimited. If they grouped the shadowless and unlimited print together as a big ‘unlimited’ release, they wouldn’t care how many shadowless cards there are because they are still the unlimited release. Because of this, is there a possibility that there is less shadowless than 1st ed? I just found out about the leftover cards as shadowless so if anyone has any information it would be great 
To my knowledge shadowless was printed once which includes the ones they sent to get stamped for 1st Ed. they didn’t print two runs of shadowless meaning one for the 1st Ed. and one for shadowless but happy to be corrected as this is how I understand it
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