Hi everyone, I have some ninetales and gyarados cards from the Italian language base set in my collection, but they have the holography of the English language cards. Does anyone have any information on this type of error? nothing is mentioned in the cgc database. thank you all
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Purely a guess but since it is a ninetales and a gyarados that you are seeing this with, I think theme decks. I wonder if it could be that the packs and decks had different foil types when they were printed which has been overlooked due to the language difference.
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I thought the same, but looking in some video opening theme deck, all the cards came with the standard cosmo holo.
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Good post from @c0ll3ct0r below:
Base set 2, first set (outside Fossil) to feature the cosmos holo was released February 24, 2000. The Galaxy Pichu card in the referenced thread was released (in English at least) July 8, 2000 during the 3rd movie release. The copyright date on the Italian cards is 1999-2000 so it was most likely printed during 2000s (cosmos holo would suggest that too). This must have all happened around the Galaxy → Cosmos transition.
This could be a case of just WOTC using whatever they had, just like them making the triangle packs to put unlimited cards in 1st ed packs. Perhaps the last of the Galaxy supply was used to print Italian cards, from the Pikachu/Pichu black star promos and some leftovers used in Italian base. The fact that they are both theme deck holos does suggest that possibly some number of theme deck sheets were printed in galaxy holo.
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Thank you very much for your reply, so the only knew italian card are the two pichu/pikachu promo and ninetales and gyarados from base set, or there are other ones?
IF these are from a theme deck sheet then there’s a good chance that Hitmonchan, Mewtwo (and maybe Machamp) also have a variant like this
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Never seen in years 
, keep my eyes looking for these ones
so the portuguese hitmonchans are plagued with the capital error. Italian Ninetales is corrected
Best i can tell, everything under Wotc 1999 had this CAPITAL error on the foreign printings. Foils with this error have galaxy foil and their non-holos should contain the 1999 copyright
Notably, at the same time that all this occurs the front plates for the non-foils transition from a positive to a negative degree magenta. My opinion is it is likely the beginning of the 2000 printings.
With Italian base set being the only base set(aside from dutch) to not be printed in the first round, it makes sense that it would be the first one on the printer for belgium.
I have found two more Gyarados so there’s a very good chance that they are indeed a theme deck sheet, haven’t found any others. If I were putting money on this, I would look towards Belgium printed themed decks coming before the pack foils right at the transition. It almost makes me think that hasbro was responsible for the big transition over to the Cosmo foil.I’ll try and find a video to maybe confirm later.
As for the Pikachu promos, my best guess is those were printed stateside. That’s probably where and whenwe transitioned over here.
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Thanks for your reply, i think by the way they are pretty rare, found just few pieces in this years on the main marcketplace. Mewtwo and hitmonchan i couldn’t find them, maybe they just didn’t exist
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This is what i found this years.
The paper used for the card is also different from the italian base set that came out from the booster, it has lot of silvering in every card i found, maybe is similar than the one they used for the uk print
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I’m talking about just the paper used for the card, not for the color. I don’t know if i can be understood. I got a prerelease clafable in my collection and the paper is the same of these cwrds. Italian language card of the base set did’t present the silvering, like the english version. The texture of the paper is really different
Like the gloss?
Not really, but i don’t know if you ever got an italian card in your hands, they are different
Ill check my venemoth later, should be close hopefully
@lyleberr would you happen to know anything about a couple of Italian themed decks?
Nothing specific but was there something you wanted me to double check if i knew about?
I just wanted to pick your brain and see if you knew anything that may exist with only these two decks. It’s odd that it seems to only be two cards.
Nothing particular comes to mind about details. If its only those 2 that we are seeing it on, id double check if i could find a sheet layout for italian base theme deck holos. Generally english had all 4 deck holos on one sheet with ninetails and gyarados the more central rows, but they may have changed layout to split for only 2 decks similar to the jungle or fossil sheets which would explain low numbers on just 2 pokemon if it was only done with one sheet based on some other stock.