Well of course you can have an opinion but if someone actually says “buy my cards, youll get x amount more in x time”. Its different to say you think x card will go up because its your own opinion.
In an ideal world everyone is informed and do their own research but obviously its not the case and never will be.
Sure. I’m not saying I like it, or even agree with the behavior, there is just a difference in buying into a crypto ponzi, with no organic demand, which Logan completely owns, vs a Pokémon card, with generations of organic interest, which Logan doesn’t even own .1% of the population. The great thing about collectibles is the fundamentals are greater than any person.
he gets more credit than he deserves for moving markets
So much this.
I was buying PSA 9 1st Ed Lugias for £180-£200 in November 2019 and selling them for £1500+ in early 2020 before any of his Pokémon videos landed. The market was increasing in a rapid but relatively “organic” manner in the second half of 2019; before the Pandemic there were already undercurrents of a fairly significant increase in demand comparative to years prior. Even if Logan hadn’t been involved, there were already too many variables associated with the Pandemic and an aging collectorbase for the market to not have gone stratospheric like it did. His involvement is just a matter of happenstance.
I’m open to the argument that lockdowns played a part. I also agree that there was a noticeable bump in price in 2019
Let’s not kid ourselves though. This was 8 months into the pandemic
Not convinced? Look at this graph showing user signups on e4 (y-axis=#of users signing up)
You can see the upward trend start in 2019. But it’s extremely clear what the peak is.
The way I see it, if LP was the only factor here, the interest would have left with him. I think current internet culture, lockdowns, the age group of people who grew up with pokemon, and many other factors all created a massive pile of brush and Logan Paul was the one to pour gasoline on it and light it up. The data is pretty clear on this
Its hard to argue with analysis like this
May as well lock the thread now
I can admit when I’m beaten. I can’t argue with the data. Clearly there was a significant impact from his participation with the hobby that I underestimated.
I thought I had a nuanced pragmatic opinion but perhaps I’ve just been in denial.
As I posted earlier, logan literally has frontal lobe damage as confirmed by a doctor, the part of the brain responsible for basically learning from your mistakes, among many other things
I’m on the fence with this whole Cryptozoo debacle. I’ll be honest, when I watched the first video by Cofeezilla I wasn’t surprised and immediately thought Logan was responsible for recklessly pushing a shitty crypto project to make a quick buck off his fans. But after watching Logan’s response video I feel like I jumped the gun. As I already disliked Logan, I took the video as truth at face value as it confirmed my existing bad opinion of him. (unfairly)
I still get the vibe that Logan is a little arrogant and might be missing the more important point for me: his followers were stuck holding the bag on his project because they followed his marketing statements.
Logan should have been more transparent prior to the Coffeezilla videos being posted. It reminds me of the recent middleman drama where honesty and transparency would have saved everyone a lot of unnecessary hardship.
It’s also hard to have sympathy for people who spent thousands of dollars on a digital picture of an animal because Logan Paul said it would make them money. Perhaps some of these people have more money than sense.
Agreed - #nonduality
So true! Anyone else thinks Scott Pratte should do a face reveal video?
I appreciate reading this comment! There is a lot of money left on the table not partnering with companies. There have been a few that were tempting, but after sleeping on it I just didn’t want to sacrifice my freedom. Not to mention the hundreds of crypto offers that have all failed. I used to get at least 1 email a week. If I had the time I would compile all the companies and see how many still exist. 
I prefer the anonymity so I can self-insert and pretend that I am Scott M. Pratte.
If I remember correctly, a lot of discussion and speculation back in 2020 discussed this on the forums already, but Logan Paul indisputably impacted the market (pfm’s data clearly shows that) - Pokemon has been steadily growing since the lowpoints of the ex era so any longtime collectors will most likely say that they always believed the growth that we saw would eventually come, just not necessarily at this increased rate.
One can definitively state that Logan Paul was a clear catalyst for the subsequent rippled growth in the Pokemon TCG, but Pokemon would have eventually reached this heightened growth a few years down the line even without Logan Paul. And if we really wanted to dive deeper into the causality, Gary Vaynerchuk was the first to notify Logan about the Pokemon opportunities, and Gary Vee probably saw something on a TikTok video 
To your point about organic growth and interest in Pokemon, all of that still holds true. The individuals with larger spheres of influence merely expedited the awareness of this franchise.
TL;DR - if not him, then someone or something else
cpbog1
I bet you get zero now lol
I hate to do this, but there is a follow-up… and it’s dog 
That reminds me, I’ve wanted to talk to you about my latest project, StageCoin. I know what you’re thinking: “come on, another crypto start up?” But that’s where you’re wrong, because at StageCoin we do things a little differently… 
(proceeds to describe a pyramid scheme exactly the same as every other one with no differences at all)
We’ve already got some big names signed on already, including Investment YouTuber and Former TV Actor. All we need now is someone to legitimize the project, which I think you’d be perfect for. We think this could easily be a 100 million dollar project!
Literally Un-ruggable
I caused it
