Wow I heard he was really one of the OG sellers of these cards. I’m sure he has tons of insight on the release of these cards as well.
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crystalcollector149:
That’s a really good point, it makes sense that most of the people who made it to 30k+ were the truly hardcore players.
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crystalcollector149:
caughtatpoint:
@crystalcollector149 , For sure Flareon is underappreciated. I believe Espeon was given at 40k points (rather than the 50k PSA labels it as) Flareon was ‘only’ 10k less. Though Flareon was available in WCP, I would have thought most people would prefer the Play Promos.
Was Umbreon definitely given out at 70,000 points? It seems like a huge jump from the Espeon.
Great evaluation there, you are correct, the espeon was given out at 40,000 points, if you watch the video I posted I show a flyer which gives the level and point break down of each card. The umbreon was really 70,000 points and considered level 10, however in my opinion I feel very few made it past jolteon (and jolteon itself is still scarce.) After jolteon it appears to be more of an “expert level tier” with the start of level 7 being the 30,000 point Flareon, flareon is now starting to be appreciated and reaching the 5 figure price point, I personally hardly ever see this card available on the Japanese market I agree I feel it was undervalued due to the WCP reprint however I feel since the hobby is so established now we can truly appreciate releases of cards and value separately no matter how similar the art work is/stamps/set (even though WCP has a much different holo pattern.) I also feel that the majority of the people that got to level 7 have also achieved level 10 to get to the espeon/umbreon. It definitely appears that most people that have the espeon also have the umbreon, and the pop report doesn’t differ all that much on the two
The PSA graded pop probably gives us a pretty good indication of the ratio of how these cards were distributed. The total PSA graded pop for each card is:
Umbreon - 23
In terms of ratios, we can break them down like this:
Umbreon - 1.0
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EnlightenedBulbasaur:
crystalcollector149:
Great evaluation there, you are correct, the espeon was given out at 40,000 points, if you watch the video I posted I show a flyer which gives the level and point break down of each card. The umbreon was really 70,000 points and considered level 10, however in my opinion I feel very few made it past jolteon (and jolteon itself is still scarce.) After jolteon it appears to be more of an “expert level tier” with the start of level 7 being the 30,000 point Flareon, flareon is now starting to be appreciated and reaching the 5 figure price point, I personally hardly ever see this card available on the Japanese market I agree I feel it was undervalued due to the WCP reprint however I feel since the hobby is so established now we can truly appreciate releases of cards and value separately no matter how similar the art work is/stamps/set (even though WCP has a much different holo pattern.) I also feel that the majority of the people that got to level 7 have also achieved level 10 to get to the espeon/umbreon. It definitely appears that most people that have the espeon also have the umbreon, and the pop report doesn’t differ all that much on the two
The PSA graded pop probably gives us a pretty good indication of the ratio of how these cards were distributed. The total PSA graded pop for each card is:
Umbreon - 23
In terms of ratios, we can break them down like this:
Umbreon - 1.0
Great job with the ratios they really do they make sense and follow the “point structure” very interesting. I think it’s also interesting how the flareon seems to be a good amount harder to get a PSA 10 out of then any others
I’ve just sold both of these cards in the last month.
Espeon PSA 10 - $13,500 USD
Hope this helps.
AT
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kpod
November 2, 2020, 3:44pm
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teammagma:
I’ve just sold both of these cards in the last month.
Espeon PSA 10 - $13,500 USD
Hope this helps.
AT
Surprised at the price gap between the two. Did the Umbreon look like it would grade a 10 if cracked out?
teammagma:
I’ve just sold both of these cards in the last month.
Espeon PSA 10 - $13,500 USD
Hope this helps.
AT
I wish I took that Espeon. I know the last sale last month was $17,500 private. But now I don’t know anyone taking under $20k. Umbreon seems very high for it being sealed but that’s awesome! Was that also in USD?
teammagma:
I’ve just sold both of these cards in the last month.
Espeon PSA 10 - $13,500 USD
Hope this helps.
AT
I wish I enquired earlier now… lol
evaner
November 3, 2020, 11:47am
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That’s extremely cheap especially on the Espeon. I’d be surprised if you could get it for twice that price on a public listing.
Seems about right on the Umbreon, altho I haven’t been able to find any sealed or PSA10 copy despite the 25k+ public offers.
Either way the price hardly matters, they barely exist at all
evaner:
That’s extremely cheap especially on the Espeon. I’d be surprised if you could get it for twice that price on a public listing.
Seems about right on the Umbreon, altho I haven’t been able to find any sealed or PSA10 copy despite the 25k+ public offers.
Either way the price hardly matters, they barely exist at all
Someone just listed one on ebay UK for 20k GBP
Link? Can’t find it on eBay.
Ohhhh I was looking for the Umbreon, my bad lol.
Oh no that’s on me, sorry. I misread the original post. My post looks extremely misleading now. Welp carry on.
I would love to see a full 10 set of the play promos would be such a quest to complete
Ehh, why does it have to be PSA 10? These aren’t set cards, they don’t need a label to set them apart. Having a complete set with all beautiful copies, regardless of the label, would be a sight to see.
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EnlightenedBulbasaur:
Ehh, why does it have to be PSA 10? These aren’t set cards, they don’t need a label to set them apart. Having a complete set with all beautiful copies, regardless of the label, would be a sight to see.
I would settle for a sealed set
Working on it. Gonna need quite a bit of time. We’ll see what happens.
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It did have potential yes, I didn’t have the heart to open it up myself however!
AT
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Both in USD yes - The Espeon went to an e4 member here!
AT.
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