Yeah I know.
BUTT in my world:
If a persons only motive is to steal MY elite trainer box out from target just to resell it quick as f*ck and not give ME the chance to experience pure bliss opening it instead, then they are evil.
Lol all jokes not aside, I want a box.
schopsch
ETBs?
That is quite the exception. I have wasted far too much gas to never find any hidden fates since early summer and that seems to be the norm around the country. Also he was talking about demand for the hidden fates and them not printing more etbs, not hidden fates products all together.
@missingno Haha I get you man, at this point I’m just being hyper-rational. We’re simple humans at the end of the day and yeah, shit like this makes us feel that way 
The scalper “problem” is not new, as I expect you guys know.
I have been collecting comics and recently restarted with pokemon and I see similar patterns.
When there is a slight rumor that a new character will be appearing in a random issue, man, people are like scavengers.
Seen multiple online shops sell out quickly because of random stuff, even local stores just empty. I was lucky multiple times because I knew the owner, and he knew what I liked.
Second is because people never look into pre-orders. The “regular”/casual collector will look what comes in soon or just catch a whisper of a new product. They put comics on their pull weekly/montly-list and mostly never look at the pre-order books of stuff that comes after two months.
Ha. I thought I’d be able to get away from the salt of Reddit by reading the boards here, but alas I am too late.
I really don’t see any issue here other than personal feelings of entitlement. Objectively speaking, what does it matter how many someone buys, or who it is that is buying the boxes? What does it matter how fast or slow someone is to sell them on the secondhand market? How does quantity of purchase and speed of offload determine the morality of an individual?
How about this. When Vivid Voltage releases, I will go to every store in my vicinity that carries Pokemon Cards, and I will buy every single ETB I find. I will hound the distributor, and every restock that happens, I will buy every single last ETB of Vivid Voltage. There will never be an ETB on the shelf of any local store of mine, because I will have already bought it. And then I will put them in my closet, and keep them there for 10 years, at which point I’ll decide to finally offload them at a 5%-10% profit. Would that make me a good or bad person?
The answer is neither, but it would certainly make me a fool - and on top of that no one would really care either, because the set won’t be as demanded as Champion’s Path. So is that it? What distinguishes angel from demon is how in-demand the set is, and if there’s enough supply to meet the demand? In that case, both sides are terribly greedy. Scalpers scalp low-print, high-demand product because profit can be made, and those who want said product for themselves complain about how it isn’t fair. There’s nothing wrong with having these emotions (we are all human, after all) but arguments like these are hypocritical and should be recognized as such. Problem is, they aren’t.
If these scalpers are taking advantage of collectors, what exactly is forcing a collector to pay the marked-up prices then? Nothing is. Collectors CHOOSE to buy the ETBs at markup. Seeing the same arguments every time ANYTHING related to Champion’s Path is posted is getting old, and its only been out for 5 days so far. To me, it seems like a lot of people experienced their first time getting priced-out of a product with this ETB, and that’s okay. Welcome to the hobby, it happens to everyone. All we can do is adapt.
If you really want the empty box and 'Zard promo, buy them off eBay for about $30 USD total. If you really want one sealed box for your collection, buy it on eBay now for $70-80 USD before prices go up in the long term. If you really just want to open packs, buy the other pin collections and boxes readily available online at retail price or in some cases, lower. Complaining about one product when there are other alternatives comes off as, in all reality, entitled and greedy.
You dont need to be greedy or entitled to judge scalpers, although some people judging scalpers are being greedy and entitled. I already got all the etbs I wanted. I preordered 2 and dont plan on getting any more, especially after finding out how bad the charizard promo quality is 
. I still hate scalpers, does that make me greedy or entitled? You can judge the greediness and often entitlement found in scalpers and not be greedy or entitled yourself. Its also entirely fair to not be able to find any new product and be frustrated at scalpers. I totally understand being frustrated at often times actually entitled people who call anyone who buy more than 2 etbs scalpers and scumbags when that individual can buy as many as they want and often don’t plan on selling them but no need to put everyone into the same camp that hate scalpers.
I agree with you on all those points. We are all human, we all have emotion. Unfortunately not everyone recognizes this, and as you said, start pointing fingers at people who buy more than 2. As smpratte always says, us collectors are just the sperm of the sperm whale. There are people and businesses out there that could’ve preordered hundreds of thousands of these, and they are certainly allowed to. TPCi knew what they were doing when they slapped 2 ultra rare Charizards and a promo Zard into a low-print set.
Ha. You were CONVINCED this was going to be the greatest punchline of 2020 lmao
I tried to end you’re whole reddit aesthetic with my previews post so you are actually making it worse.
There you go 
Got a tin at GameStop the day of the champions path release in a major city. I think people are a bit distracted right now. Definitely an exception but yah never know!
Well I think we can all agree this set is a bust. Half arts going for less than a pack, full arts going for a bit more than a pack and rainbow going for around 3 to 4 packs. The pack pull rates is awful too. Might as well just open around 15 packs or all the pins if you like that and buy the rest as singles if want to collect the set because it no fun opening this, unless you get very lucky or have a gambling mindset
i traded something for tons of champions path and have been having terrible luck. luckily the true cost was low if i look back far enough lol.
110 booster packs no zards yet
I agree. I didn’t enjoy opening the packs that I got one bit. I didn’t expect to get a zard, but I at least expected to get more pokemon V than I did. I just bought all the single cards but the zards, going to wait until the price drops some more.
I’ve been hearing that second wave etbs won’t have a promo that’s just lies right?
93 packs. 1 secret rare. Time to move onto another set. One of the worst sets since crimson invasion without the zards.
Damn, what a shame 
. I’ve been getting very nice pulls, dont know if it has anything to do but the “worst” product for me in terms of pullrate is the 3 pack tin collection, terrible pull rates as in not even V ultra rare.
Been having great luck with the 5pack pin collection and the best luck has come with the ETB in which i’ve pulled the Zards.
Probably a lie, they would have to redesign the packaging and change the list of contents.
TBH, this is what worries me. If the secondary market for every other card besides the zard is non-existent, I wouldn’t be surprised if fewer people open up CP since it’s not a particularly exciting product minus the zards. Less people opening = greater scarcity = higher prices?
They did this for Hidden Fates tho but i think it was way more separated than the initial wave.