He said that its way higher in ALL categories and that´s not true, but as you already showed for most categories it is. The thing with MTG is that 95% of all players (!) dont want to grade their Unlimited Power or whatever which is not Alpha/Beta/super high end quality just because they genuinely want to play with it, this is pretty different to Pokemon where it´s mostly collectors.
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Any yu-gi-oh card experts know if this works on the backs of those cards also? There’s like plastic residue on my Dark Mag Girl that is like to get off and send into PSA… thanks!
I understand why the graded MTG market is smaller, but that only further exemplifies the irrelevancy of BGS. The only category it seems to “win” in, people aren’t all too interested in grading. PSA is far from perfect but there’s no doubt it holds a larger share of the overall graded market compared to BGS.
In regards to Gary’s comment: “Plus, an even waaaay higher percentage of PSA in ALL card categories gets sold.”
Sold listings:psa card: 206,342bgs card: 60,562
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I meant the sold numbers in all categories I listed. Mtg is of relatively little interest.
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Right. That’s exactly what I was referring to;)
Ah, I see, was a misunderstanding on my side.
I’m not sure this statement holds 
. Apart from it being very vague blanket statement, you must have seen the record breaking BGS 9.5 Charizard sales this October and November. I want to honestly ask the question though. Would any sports collectors out there honestly prefer a psa 10 mike trout refractor with a 10 auto, over a BGS 10, with a 10 auto? I mean I’ve made the argument that high sub BGS 9.5 is as good of quality as PSA 10 (majority of the time, of course there is acceptions both ways, but let’s talk about BGS 10 and PSA 10. Wouldn’t you want your favourite card in a BGS 10? Or BGS 10 black label for that matter? What a wonderful service to provide the chance to own a “perfect copy”. I want to leave this as my final comment on this topic . (Maybe ). Both PSA and BGS have different and great things to offer. Both have flaws. Both have strengths. Both are subject to human error. BUT. BGS has a lot to offer, and until the Pokémon community fully understands that. I’ll continue to buy high sub BGS 9.5’s like that Shadowless Charizard I just bought at PWCC. For less than half of a PSA 10 price. Oh, and boy is it beautiful 
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Gary, can I ask why you would spend 80ish thousand on a card that really only demands the premium because of the Brand and grade number of the case it’s in, when that brand and case are both from a company you feel is poor and inconsistent, with a suspect future? Aside from owning both copies and essentially having complete market control. I think it would be fair to assume if either of those ever hit the auction block again they would pull close to double what a psa 10 is worth.
There’s nothing wrong with liking or using BGS. There’s nothing wrong with believing they offer a better service than PSA. Sure, maybe 5 or so really nice BGS charizards sold for impressive prices but outside of BGS 9.5+ 1st ed base charizard or black labels which are absurdly hard to grade, there’s no demand for BGS.
In Pokemon, BGS is irrelevant. This is basically undeniable. Between PSA and BGS, only 2% of Pokemon cards on ebay right now are BGS. 18% of BGS pokemon cards also have PSA in the title. For every 1 GMA pokemon card on ebay, there are only 3 BGS cards - literally GMA holds a comparable place to BGS in the pokemon market.
This doesn’t mean PSA is necessarily better in anyway. It doesn’t mean that BGS can never become the preferred grading company to pokemon collectors. But if you look at these numbers and fail to conclude that BGS, today, is generally irrelevant in pokemon, then you’re only fooling yourself.
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Okay, I’ll give you “generally irrelevant”. But not irrelevant 
, and yes, not on the basis of quality, but on the basis of demand. Also, I should add. Anything under a BGS 9, or maybe the odd 8.5 (because of centering) I stay away from. BGS can offer an awesome high end grade, but the Lower end stuff is suspect. Specifically because of the sub grade system. It’s a bit of a catch 22.
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saying that PSA is the better and more relevant company than BGS just based on the sheer amount of PSA cards on ebay is the same as saying FIAT is the better car manufacturer compared to Ferrari
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Can people who tout BGS quantify your claim? Every time this pointless debate occurs someone shows the data clearly in PSA’s favor and it is willfully ignored.
Outside of BGS 10, Beckett is irrelevant. I don’t have a boner for either company, but the answer is blatantly obvious.
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Okay guys we did it, Scott said boner, we can all stop this charade now. Mission accomplished
BGS covers the price gap between a PSA9 and PSA10 card, that might be only relevant for the top tier cards, but when you have a PSA 10 charizard selling for 40k USD and a PSA 9 selling for 6k USD, a BGS 9.5 with subgrades is perfect to cover the price range in between those grades.
Also a BGS 10 is harder to get than a PSA 10. People even think that there are “weak” and “strong” PSA 10 cards graded, I don’t think you can say that about a BGS 10 card.
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I think I mentioned BGS 10s are a different animal, at least with WOTC cards.
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this is amazing
To each his own, but I would not want a card that has been cleaned with windex. Just my opinion though.
I would be careful with this. The same kind of thing happened in the graded comic book industry many years ago now where people were using light cleaning solvents and such to clean comic book covers. At first, no one was the wiser but after several years and more awareness brought to the practice, CGC the grading company, started detracting from the perceived grade by classifying solvent cleaned books as restored, thus lowering their market value and collectibility by more than 90% on most books. Obviously there are exceptions like Action Comics 1 and other major golden age key books where they are already so fragile that restoration is necessary to preserve the physical state of the book. It is a slippery slope and one I bet ends up at some point in a similar fashion with PSA detecting chemicals on the surface of the card, thus making it a restored or altered card. All this being said, if only water and elbow grease is used to clean the books, they aren’t slapped with the restored or altered label. Just my 2 cents on the subject…,