CGC to PSA Cross-Grading Result

How do you guys feel about CGC at the moment? - #5 by pfm in October I posted this

Cracked 100+ CGC slabs and resubbed some of them during the $15 PSA promotion. Here are the results:

ROUND 1

cgc psa cgc psa cgc psa
9 9 9 10 8 10
9.5 10 9 10 8.5 9
9 10 8 10 8.5 9
9 9 9 10 8.5 9
9.5 10 9 10 8.5 8
9 10 9 10 9 10
8.5 7 9 10 9 10
9 10 9 10 9 10
9 10 9 10 8.5 7
8.5 9 8.5 9 8.5 8
8.5 8 8.5 9 8.5 8
9 9 9 10 9 9
9 9 8.5 10 8.5 8
8.5 9 8 7 9 9
9 10 8.5 9
9 10 8.5 10

CGC average grade: 8.77
PSA average grade: 9.28

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grade cgc psa
7 0 3
8 3 5
8.5 17 0
9 23 13
9.5 1 0
10 0 22

Considerations:

  • These came from at least 3 CGC orders
  • Graded under the “older” CGC grading scale
  • Only represents 1 PSA submission
  • Cards were chosen based on having a chance of being bumped up

Don’t over-interpret these results. I think the take-away is that there is a lot of potential in older CGC slabs. I was selective about my choices but not really that strict. A few of them may have been CGC 8.5/9 and I was shooting for PSA 9 for my own collection. If the before → after value is greater than the cross-grading cost, it’s worth doing.

ROUND 2

Card Label type Old grade New grade
Shining Ho-Oh 083/SM-P NEW 8.5 10
Shining Lugia Shining Legends OLD 9 10
Shibuya’s Pikachu OLD 8 10
PokeKyun Charmander OLD 9.5 10
Afro Pikachu NEW 9.5 10
LIly Pikachu SM-P/224 OLD 9.5 10
Web Venonat OLD 9 10
Town on no map eevee NEW 8.5 9
Charizard GX burning shadows NEW 8.5 9
Cinderace V 168/S-P OLD 9 10
Rillaboom V 170/S-P OLD 9 10
Black Star Movie Dragonite OLD 9 10
Black Star Movie Pikachu OLD 9 9
Black Star Movie Mewtwo OLD 8.5 9
Black Star Movie Electabuzz OLD 8.5 8
Festa participation pikachu SM-P/108 OLD 8.5 9
Festa participation pikachu SM-P/108 OLD 9 10
Festa participation pikachu SM-P/108 OLD 9 10
Blastoise V starter set OLD 9 10
Blastoise VMAX starter set OLD 9 10
Blastoise V starter set OLD 9 10
Blastoise VMAX starter set OLD 9 10
Scream Rowlet PSA 9 9
Shaymin 225/SM-P NEW 8.5 9
Shaymin 225/SM-P NEW 9.5 10
Vaporeon VMAX (premium collection) PSA 9 10
Scream Psyduck PSA 9 9
Rocket’s Entei ex NEW 9 9
Rocket’s Hitmonchan ex NEW 8.5 8
Rocket’s Mewtwo ex NEW 9 10
Rocket’s Moltres ex NEW 8.5 9
Rocket’s Scizor ex NEW 8.5 9
Rocket’s Snorlax ex NEW 8.5 8
Rocket’s Suicune ex NEW 9 9
Rocket’s Zapdos ex NEW 9 9
Rocket’s Scyther ex NEW 9 7
Dusclops ex (Emerald) OLD 7 7

Average CGC grade: 8.81
Average PSA grade: 9.32

+0.51
Funny enough, it’s exactly the same boost as my first order to 2 decimal places

OLD labels bumped higher than NEW but keep in mind, most of the NEW label category is dominated by the Rocket’s ex cards which are different from most others on this list because they are 1. English and 2. unlikely to 10 (the Mewtwo is clean though)

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Thanks for the data, @pfm . Were these modern or vintage cards?

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Good question. Mostly newback Japanese, some WOTC black star promos. You can see the whole sub here to get an idea (about half was a resubmission, the world Pikachu collection were not resubs): THE Great Grading Results Thread - #3381 by pfm

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So the meme that cgc 8.5 = psa 7-10 now has data to back it up :wink:

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Pictures of cards with the biggest differences in grades would be interesting.

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Do you by chance have the highest number cert saved that you could share?

Most are the old style label, some are going to be some of the earliest new labels like this one

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My latest return only had 1 crack. But that went from a CGC 9.5 to a PSA 10.

I have a bias against psa, but lately have been buying them ( psa slabs) more than others due to killer deals, flood of slabs on market… this definitely adds more fuel to my fire of “never pay the 10 premium”.

Has anyone done a psa 1-10 single card collection,with the same era of grading, multiple times? Ie: 1-10 all 2XXXXXXX , OR 4XXXXXXX, or 6XXXXXXX certs?
Curious to see if there is as big a difference as ive seen in pics / several 1-10 video guides vs current or slighlty older certs…

Thank you for this info… also hitting the
button on the gallery of world pika slabs as fast as you can is smile inducing …

I’ve cracked about 18 CGC slabs (8 8.5s, 6 9s, 4 9.5). I cracked them without looking at them two closely therefore 2 8.5 had the smallest of indents and I didn’t regrade them. 1 8.5 got a 9 and rest went down to 7s and 8s.
The 2 japanese 9s got 10s from PSA 2 stayed at the 9 and the other two went to a 7 :upside_down_face:
All 9.5s were modern japanese cards and all got the 10.

The lesson I take from this is that I have to inspect the card before I crack them out because otherwise the results will be all over the place.

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^ These are the points people should pay attention to, not the stats.

I’ve crossed a CGC 5.5 to a BGS 10 but have plenty of 9.5s that aren’t PSA 10s. People trying to make averages or chance percentages out of the numbers are missing the point (to be clear this comment isn’t aimed at pfm - it’s all the “HEY GUYS IS MY 9.5++ CHORIZO ACTUALLY A 10” posts). If you look at the card and think it’s “undergraded”, then it’ll probably upgrade on a resub. If not, then it probably won’t. And I stress the “probably” part for a reason - aside from the different companies have different specific standards, you can send the same card to the same grading company 20 times and get a range of results just on the variance of different graders on different days.

Anyways, in conclusion:

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Try and stop me! What cert number range constitutes the “older” CGC grading scale?

I just had two 9.5s fail to cross via Graded Card Review so I’m going to have to crack and resubmit. 0/15 cards that I have sent for GCR this year have actually crossed. pretty brutal waste of cash. I’ve had luck with cracking tho

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Cracked two 9 modern japanese CGC cards both relatively new (no messed up label) and they crossed to PSA 10s also crossed 2 9.5 MNT cards (Canada) and they also received 10s

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i have a 9.5 i sent to psa with a minimum of 9, but im pretty nervous it wont even get that with how psa is lately. were yours all sent with a minimum of 10?

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Yes minimum was 10

I recently had a small sub of cracked old cert CGC cards. Here where my results:

CCG 9 - PSA 9
CGC 9 - PSA 7
CGC 8.5 - PSA 9

i guess that gives me some hope. thank you!

Im glad i came across this thread when i did. I had just posted some cgc 9’s (mostly with 2 9.5 subs and 2 9.0 subs) on a selling thread and had been contemplating cracking them and resubbing to PSA. Cards in question are all poncho pikachus hand-selected by me in 2017-2018 as part of my “experiment”. The price difference isnt something to scoff at either. Double the price from 9 to 10. Jeez. Good thread, three thumbs up.

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