BGS 9.5 > PSA 10 Cross grade advice

Considering cross grading this card to PSA for a 10. Does it look like it stands a high chance? It’s a grail but would like the option to sell it if shit hits the fan.

Not done this kind of crossing personally. However I have heard that PSA often mistakenly gives these cards a bad centering grade due to the top border being naturally smaller with the Trainer box. Just my 2 cents!

With the way psa are at the moment, it’s a big risk

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Without the card in hand no one can really tell you if the card is gem 10 worthy. But if the corners and edges are truly flawless with good centering and surface I see no reason why this card wouldn’t cross to a 10.

With that being said there is always the risk of damaging the card while taking it out, PSA damaging the card, or getting a 9 due to an inexperienced grader misinterpreting the top centering due to the “trainer box”. With grading fees and possible resubbing it might not be worth it at all.

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Why do you say so? Not really updated on what’s happening currently with PSA

Thanks for the response. I tried to post pictures as best I could to get some opinions, along with the sub-grades. As you are right, it is quite expensive to send for grading in my country. Though I don’t think there’s any risk of the grade going lower since I heard that I can set the minimum grade as PSA10 (meaning PSA won’t crack the slab if they deem it unworthy).

Psa has been grading really inconsistently recently. It’s like rolling a dice

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Crossover with a minimum grade is probably your safest option, but know that those two “9.5”s on your label may cause the grader to obsess over the centering and surface, finding random excuses to explain the 9.5, and possibly denying it a PSA 10.

With Collectors purchasing Beckett I wonder if the grader will be more partial but I have zero experience with cross-overs :sweat_smile:

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I’m seeing cards that would be easy psa 9’s a year ago get 7’s and 8’s. They are super inconsistent for sure more so now than before and if you want a psa 10 your best bet is to crack and submit because if you send for a 10 with the card in the bgs 9.5 slab still , I have yet to see recently anyone succeed. I don’t want to be the guy to say keep it a 9.5 but probably your best option right now. You risk losing money or down grading your card through psa at this time.

Those sub grades should cross to a PSA10. The centering 9.5 is a PSA10 standard so you have 10s on 2 out of the 3 and BGS is much harsher and more difficult to get a 10. So in theory this should be an easy cross, but like mentioned above it would most likely need to be cracked, and PSA is not super consistent.

Another option is to send to BGS for Review and maybe it gets bumped to a 10.

I have a couple grails in BGS 9.5++ with similar sub grades and contemplating doing the same, but for now not intending to sell so keeping them as is.

Mike

You think its needs to be cracked for a shot? That’s way too risky imo,. but I guess no harm trying to cross with a minimum grade indicated. But damn, why does the PSA slab have to look so much worse

Everything is a risk but this pika was a psa 10…it always depends on the card.

Ive had BGS 9s cross to PSA 10

I’ve had BGS 9.5s that won’t.

Just depends entirety on the card in the plastic slab.

The “BGS 9.5 could never be a psa 10” argument is dumb as is saying all BGS 9.5s could be psa 10 haha.

If you think it’s worthy then it has a shot.

Crossover service will not go well. If you’re going to try, crack and submit it. If I were in your shoes, I would sell the BGS 9.5 and save up for a PSA 10 rather than gambling on the grading lottery.

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It can go well.

Always worth the shot at least once.

I agree with @Dyl that you shouldn’t send it in for the cross over. Here’s a few things to consider:

  1. PSA is mega inconsistent rn for a myriad of reasons, but it seems to be more risky sending it to them at this moment. That being said they’re also so busy that by the time that they get to your card they could have changed their ways and become consistent again haha

  2. I honestly couldn’t tell you from the pictures alone and would have to look at it in person, but nothing in the 9s category usually is a pretty good indicator of cross-able condition. Not all the time, but generally speaking.

  3. If you do decide to send it in, I would recommend cracking it out of the slab. BGS is also the trickiest to get out of the slab because of the sleeve, so it may benefit you to buy a cheap BGS slab to practice on before trying it on that one.

  4. Submitting it in the BGS slab as a cross over generally isn’t a good idea. You can find a couple of examples online of people doing it with success, but again, generally, this is not the case. Among other things, there’s an unspoken grading politics involved where PSA would have to admit that another company’s grading standard has an equivalent to their own. There’s also graders’ bias, company bias, etc.. However, where people do find success is from cracking that sucker out and shipping it necked to the compnee.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do!

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Also welcome to the forum! Glad to have you :slight_smile:

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I also agree that it’s not a bad idea to sell it and save for the 10 if that’s what you want. BGS 9.5 value is less, but it’ll get you most of the way there. Unless you bought this as a 9.5, then yeah send it in cracked.

PSA is shit right now. They want to charge more for all tiers of cards while also gatekeeping 10s at an unprecedented level. People are getting 8s and 9s on what would be guaranteed 10’s in the past. You’re better off just trying to get a bump with Beckett at a local event.

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I don’t agree with the sentiment that PSA 10s are unachievable atm. There are plenty of examples of bad new label PSA 10s, even for low gem rate vintage cards. It seems like PSA is prioritizing clean corners and edges over surface issues. The multiple new label 9s I have bought have had issues that obviously preclude it from being a 10, even being very nice overall

I don’t know how hard it is to get a 10 grade at PSA at the moment, but the idea that BGS 9.5 is a de facto PSA10 is a myth I think (you guys did not say that but it is a prevalent idea in the hobby)
It seems that the 9.5 subgrade at BGS is quite wide : it ranges from almost perfect to clear visual defect
So some BGS 9.5 cards you can clearly see that they will translate to PSA 8, while some others have a good chance at 10.

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With a BGS 9.5 sub grades are the key. If there is a 9 not likely but if two 10s a 9.5 Centering and and other 9.5 it’s got a great shot. But as always it’s hit and miss at PSA.

Mike

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You’re in a very pro PSA forum - many people where will tell you not to cross it or that it won’t cross.

If you fill the card would cross then regardless of the sub grades it’s worth a shot.

Many psa 10s are not true tens and would not become back BGS 9.5. the inverse is also true.

Sadly grading is never objective.

It’s always worth a shot if you think it could do it.

Again, this was a newer cert psa 10