hi guys just a quick question
what do you guys think would be a better long term investment in terms of value between a PSA 8 1st edition charizard or and PSA 10 Master scroll?
I know the zard is worth more right now but considering its a set card and widely available from time to time i cant see it having the same [price potential as a Master scroll PSA 10, what are your guys thoughts?
Zard probs
Funko Pops
Charizard
Neither.
Best advice: do not be a āmoneyā or hype collector and do not buy Pokemon cards as investments. Collectibles are an extremely volatile, non-liquid asset class and Pokemon cards, vintage or otherwise, are still in their infancy as collectibles. There are no guarantees as to where the market is headed.
Spend what you can afford on cards that make you happy. Before you make any purchase, ask yourself the following question: āif this item is worth $0 tomorrow, would I regret having bought it?ā
Thatās the healthiest way to go about collecting.
Definitely 1000% confidence no doubt whatsoever, a PSA 10 Masterās scroll is the finest investment in the hobby. If you arenāt dropping everything you own to buy one right now, Iām not sure you can even be called a collector.
This has been PFM[aster] weighing in with a completely unbiased, fact-based opinionā¢
zard
I completely agree as to your post, and way to many times is it a matter of please hold my hand and tell me this investment is going to go up. Sometimes it will drop, and sometimes someone will lower their price below market value as they need to sell right away.
However, unless an item has a huge influx of market availability or new quantity that has not hit the market yet, or everyone was to get scared and sell right this moment, the current market isnāt going to change. There would need to be a great deal of zards to hit the open market and people continuously lowering the price for it to ever change. Or Gary would just need to liquidate his collection.
I think they are both easily safe investments, its just I doubt there will be crazy growth quick. Its an āinvestmentā for a reason.
Try to get both, and necropost this thread in 10 years to tell us how you did? 
I think I would personally go for the Masterās Scroll. It is a riskier investment, but it has the most potential. It could potentially be $5-10kā¦ or also stay flat like a lot of Japanese cards.
Iām not sure how much growth potential a PSA 8 Zard hasā¦ it might cap out at around $5k or so some years from now.
I canāt see why someone should prefer a card with a (over)reussed artwork instead of an exclusive artwork promo card with a ridicoulus low print run.
Base set charizard is boring
I canāt even disagree with your statement, but itās still the hottest card in the hobby whether you like it or not. 
zards are for cool kids 
Iād go with Charizard all day. Say what you will about the rarity, the artwork, the opportunity for money making etc. but Base Charizard (especially 1st Edition) is one of the most iconic, recognizable, and all around popular cardsā¦ ever. If you could show the markets of each card next to each other in physical form it would be like a house sitting next to the empire state building. Donāt get me wrong, that house might be in a really nice, exclusive area and the property value might go through the roof but the liquidity of the Charizard and the value it holds with so many people makes the decision easy for me. That said, I donāt know jack shit about the Master Scroll so take that into account. For all I know you could buy a Master Scroll and flip it in a short period of time and buy the Charizard with the profits. Buy the one that youād personally prefer to have on display if you had to pick.
I dont see a problem with investing in pokemon. Itās been a stable hobby for decades. This isnāt like investing in penny stocks or alt coins. It seems like every time someone asks a pretty specific question about two cards, someone has to chime in that they shouldnāt look to invest in cards to begin with. Yet we see videos of people so invested that theyāre legit buying stock in other peoples collection. Clearly there is some stability in the hobby, the only speculation is in what cards will increase faster, and thatās really what his question was.
The only reason thereās stability in the hobby is because most people arenāt āinvestingā. Collectors like us buy for the emotional value. Thereās a limit to how much a hobby can be dilluted by investors and remain stable. MTG has this problem and in my opinion lost much of its soul.
Iām not saying that Pokemon is anywhere near that level, but Iām just explaining why that concept has its ramifications
I think it goes without saying that stability comes from genuine collectors. Otherwise you end up with a product like beanie babies that was mass produced and everyone who bought them only did so because they expected to make money down the road. That said, this is a hobby that has stabilized over the course of twenty years. You might not like flippers or investors, but that doesnāt make pokemon tcg product any less stable. So, circling back, this guy didnāt ask if he should invest in pokemon. He already knows itās a stable market. He asked about speculative advice between two cards- both likely to retain or appreciate in value. Thatās why itās so taxing every time you see a bunch of people chime in not to invest, period.
This answer couldnāt be anymore perfect as I keep mentioning to people about investing.
I believe the point being made is that the best way to enjoy the hobby is to go into it without the investors mindset at the forefront. The idea of investing into cards creates a dissassociation between the emotional value in one hand and the prospect of financial benefit in the other. While the latter isnāt a bad thing or something that shouldnāt be considered, the point is that it should not be the first consideration to buying a card.
What @jj1 said was spot on. If you want to enjoy the hobby to the fullest extent, get rid of that idea of investing. All of us consider whether the cards we buy will be worth more or less down the road, but if the first consideration is the potential for financial gain then you may just be on the wrong site. Weāll give you GOOD advice that wonāt harm your enjoyment of the hobby. And unapologetically so.
But it isnāt an answer at all. When OP provides a multiple-choice format question of A or B, and you interject āCā, it isnāt really useful. The interjection/speculation in question here is 1) a pricey and coveted set charizard and 2) a niche fanclub promo that had a limited release
True. He did ask for choice A or B. I had to re-read the question and he did āask for our thoughtsā which is pure speculation. The issue is how can you really determine price, isnt that as much as a collector is going to pay? If it its a multiple choice format, is A or B the right answer?