The Old Giant English Market Thread BC

We’re all waiting for the card to hit 10k ^^ the card is in a straight line, so..

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Interesting to see how many of the vintage - to EX era, Delta Specieis, Deoxys etc have surged in value over the last few months.

Would be interesting to hear peoples thoughts on whether its just a general move away from modern into older sets or a general market uptick.

I am seeing reverse holo PSA 9s going for similiar price to that of the PSA 10s, PSA 10 prices are in the $1000-$2000 range for popular pokemon such as Jolteon Reverse EX Delta Species, Rayquaza reverse, vaporeon etc.

Gold stars have also seen a rapid movement, Gold star PSA 9s for many of them such as Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Kyogre, Metagross etc are all hitting close to that of their PSA 10 prices only from a 1-2 years ago.

I think one variable this area does not have that many areas did in prior booms such as the modern boom we have had was modern could simply continue to print, or continue to grade more copies to push PSA 10s into the 10s of thousands of copies.

We also had that to some extent in the vintage boom of 2020 where we still saw large 100% increases in population as many cards were simply not graded.

However these middle era sets, most people would of graded them at the prices they were at for the last few years, hence i think we are seeing sharp upticks with no release of fresh new supply to flow through.

Fascinating either way as even if you was a betting man on some of these middle era cards outside of vintage WOTC, you would think they were undervalued but not to the extent the cards have moved.

One example is a purchase I made for Jolteon Reverse Holo PSA 10 from Delta Species in January 2022 for £130 ( $176 US).

Copy just sold a few days ago on Probstein for £2,242 ($3,050 US) marking a circa 1,600% increase in price. Even if my purchase price or the sold price was an outlier, this is a significant jump over a 3 year time horizon.

Many though havent moved an inch such as many of my PSA 9 1st Ed WOTC holos, or PSA 9 EX holos, primarily seeing big jumps in these regular holos/reverses.


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It’s very card and set-specific. Reverse holos of popular pokemon from TRR, Deoxys, Delta Species, etc. have massively surged. Certain exs have increased dramatically. Gold stars have gone parabolic.

And then there are other things that were once equally desirable that haven’t increased in value almost at all. It’s actually really bizarre. There’s not even a clear rhyme or reason to a lot of it. Like, why did Sableye reverse holo from Deoxys go from a $5 card to a $500 card? It’s undeniably a cool-looking card, but it was equally cool-looking last year.

IMO, I think there’s a lot of speculation and mania rn. Reminds me a bit of 2020, but more contained to specific cards/items.

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Hi Zorloth,

Yes this is something in the back of my mind - however the key difference between the two is the Rayquaza Gold Star was valuable from day 1, whereas Deoxys Reverse was never valuable for a long time and there was no doubt periods of time where it literally would of been bulk and played/thrown away.

I agree though - there probably is more to go - but i dont think its at the rate we would see say for WOTC PSA 9s that exploded with supply, as many of these would of been in binders in complete sets, significantly higher printed then reverse/regular holos?

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pokemans seem to have moved from set-specific/rarity to character specific for these investor bros (i am assuming no one here is paying 15k for a skyridge gengar or umbreon :rofl:)

this is very easy to see where cards like the neo destiny shinings, gold stars, gengar, eeveelutions, rayquaza etc vintage cards have gone up 3-4x in a year whereas cards of non popular pokes like yanma, heracross, blissey, togetic that are actually hard to grade have seen barely any movement or maybe even down :rofl:

a lot of the price differentials dont make any sense now like skyridge gengar, umbreon and sabrinas gengar are now worth 2x as much as most 1st ed base holos :rofl:

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He was buying them for his son, I know a couple lads vending who he bought cards from. His son was with him.

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IMO many ereader cards have been undervalued for some time now. The artwork is great and they are low pop relative to other set cards. For the past couple years many of the PSA10s were only 2x the price of the PSA9 which didn’t make sense.

Last year I picked up a PSA10 expedition Arbok holo (pop 42) for $260. I offered the same seller $1200 for their Butterfree holo (pop 16) and they were firm at $2,000. There was no documented sales history for that card at the time. They later auctioned it off and it sold for $660 :grimacing:

They don’t transact nearly as often as other vintage sets so I think what we’re seeing now is the market trying to flesh out the price. I wasn’t expecting anything like this though. It seems like there’s no end in sight

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lol its up another 3k when u coulda bought it for 3-4k last year :rofl:

the low psa 9/10 multiplier is b/c skyridge is one of the easier wotc sets to grade, the crystals and such also have very low multipliers compared to the like 10-20x u normally see on wotc sets :rofl:

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Not only that, it probably would’ve sat for a couple months before it sold. It’s like people just realized these exist or something :rofl:

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Max rarity EX era reverses were unappreciated for a while imo, low pops and card rarity format that was never again replicated.

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Bruh

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Im getting 40k Bulbasaur flashbacks…

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Damn that probably would have been 10k on ZnG :joy:

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It made sense because many Skyridge PSA 10s had a 50% rate when looking at their 9/10 population. Some even had more 10s graded than 9s so only being 2x the price was logical.
The lowest pop cards, Gengar and Houndoom, had their 10s valued at 3x - 4x the 9 price, which again, made sense as it was about a 25% - 30% 10 rate compared to the 9s. That multiplier has mostly held with the boom. Gengar used to be around 1K in a 9 and 3k-4k in a 10. Now it’s ~4k in a 9 and I guess ~19k in a 10.

I felt for the longest time that Skyridge holos were previously undervalued by the market and while the rapid price growth doesn’t feel the most organic, it was probably long overdue. That said, a lot of the less popular Skyridge holos have barely moved and are still only mid hundreds for a 10.

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not PSA, but still… it’s instances like this that make me happy i’m not a 10 chaser

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This is my favourite Pokemon by my favourite artist, I think I have to accept a 10 is out of the question :sweat_smile:

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nice, it’s also my favorite pokemon by my second favorite artist :slight_smile:

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On the contrary, I think it makes perfect sense. Why would you buy a Pokémon you don’t like, or cards from a set you think is bad? I’d much rather spend $15K on a Mario Pikachu than on a random no rarity base Set Holo..

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Likewise, I’d much rather a random no rarity base set holo than a tacky, corporate crossover Mario Pikachu :wink:

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The market speaks for itself when it comes to collectors’ preferences, but luckily some people still buy the less popular cards otherwise the prices of the others would be even higher!

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