Most of the gold stars have similar(ish) pop reports across all sets, except for the legendary dogs from unseen forces, which have substantially higher #s in the pop compared to other gold star cards.
Can anyone on here explain why this is? It just seemed odd to me that it was just these gold stars that have an elevated POP compared to others.
I wonāt put words in Garyās mouth, but I do recall him saying something similar about the art academy cards. Again, this is my interpretation, but I believe heās saying that cards that have an unfair distribution, or cards that arenāt circulated around the market in a fair manner, arenāt worth your time.
On the discussion of gold stars, I was just thinking, a lot of EX series boxes are now worth equal or more than some of the WOTC boxes like fossil/jungle/rocket unlimited and even 1st edition. Which do you think will hold their prices better? Or I should phrase it as do you think they will stay at equal prices for the foreseeable future or will move away from each other?
WotC boxes are higher supply, higher demand. EX boxes are lower supply, lower demand. The dynamics are similar to the set card vs. trophy card comparison.
It would be pure speculation to predict anything about the future price growth of each era of boxes, IMO.
Also, it should be noted that EX boxes arenāt ānow worth equal or more;ā this isnāt a new thing. EX boxes have increased in value by similar percentages as WotC boxes, and in many cases smaller percentages (compared to UL Base, 1st Ed. Rocket, UL Fossil, UL Jungle etc.).
Most of this thread is pure speculation itās the one place where itās āallowedā haha. But to put my head out, Iāll speculate that apart from base; Neo will be at the top, followed by ex and then early wotc. My reasoning is also basically what you said, Neo and ex are by far rarer. And once the PSA backlog comes in, with the amount of jungle/fossil/rocket box breaks and pop in general, I feel like the market is bound to correct for them far greater than say Neo/EX. Maybe Iāll see this post again in 3-5 years and be proven wrong haha but would love to hear other opinions/speculations.
I think it depends on the specific set ā I think itās safe to say that 1st Ed Neo Destiny boxes will always be worth more than EX Hidden Legends boxes, and that EX Deoxys boxes will always be worth more than Unlimited Neo Discovery boxes. So Iām not sure that we can say that Neo is āat the top;ā it just depends on the specific sets weāre comparing.
I generally agree with your speculation, though. Neo and EX boxes donāt have the explosive potential that Base boxes have shown to have, but they also donāt have the potential to retrace as severely. There will never be a ārace to the bottomā scenario with Neo or EX boxes ā theyāre much too rare. Especially with EX boxes, which appear to be significantly rarer (or at least scarcer) than Neo boxes (though it again depends on the set).
@fizzyadrenaline IĀ“d agree with the general sentiment that scarcer sets will do better overall but you canĀ“t paint all cards with the same brush - chase cards, even if they are high(er) pop behave very differently from low(er) pop cards that donĀ“t have the same demand behind them.
Bulk c/uk of a set might be considered worthless again in the not so distant future while certain holos of the same set might flourish, outperforming lower pop holos from rarer sets.
Thatās entirely true. I almost forgot to add the E-series as a safer bet as well. Great art, equally scarce, if not more. But yes, certain sets like Destiny, Deoxys, TRR, Skyridge will always remain popular due to popularity + chase cards + scarce. Itās between the mediocrity, if I can call it that, which is difficult to speculate. Discovery or hidden legends is a good starting point right there
I think e-Series is a sort of ābest of both worldsā option, in a way. It has comparable rarity/scarcity as EX but itās still part of the WotC era. Those boxes are on the Neo Destiny/EX Deoxys tier.
The one issue with e-Series is that it doesnāt introduce any new Pokemon. Gen 1 collectors initially gravitate toward Base/Jungle/Fossil, Gen 2 collectors toward Neo Genesis/Discovery/Revelation, and Gen 3 collectors toward Ruby/Sandstorm/Dragon/TMTA/HL. I would speculate that people will grow to care more and more about 1st appearances (ārookiesā) as time goes on. If so, I could see e-Series not retaining the same significance that the early sets from the first three eras will.
thatās definitely one way to look at it. My personal dream is to own a skyridge box someday. Iām nowhere close since real life takes precedence and buying a house comes first. But somedayā¦itāll be interesting to see if the rookie concept picks up someday from sports. I personally doubt it and I donāt like the concept as well. So fingers crossed on that one.
Hi there - not sure if this is the right forum. Iāve been collecting for a few years now. Iām trying to get a complete set (donāt care so much if have reverses but will fill out my collection if I have them) of all the English sets (raw but in decent quality), but itās a slow process (limited by my discretionary income, hahaha). I probably have between 30-35 complete sets and am missing between a handful of cards and 20-30 cards on others (mainly the higher priced ones, like the shinings or gold stars). Iāve recently become enamored with Japanese promos and would like to start branching out a bit. This is a little speculative, but would you guys suggest filling out my sets first or working on the promos that I would like to get? It obviously depends on the cards and set but Iām trying to figure out the best way to spend my money now so that Iāll spend less later. Ie, which do you think will appreciate/go up faster? For reference, Iād mainly be looking at working on the Japanese-exclusive Pikachu promos.
TIA - totally understand if you canāt provide a solid answer.
itās the one place where itās āallowedā haha. But to put my head out, Iāll speculate that apart from base; Neo will be at the top, followed by ex and then early wotc. My reasoning is also basically what you said, Neo and ex are by far rarer. And once the PSA backlog comes in, with the amount of jungle/fossil/rocket box breaks and pop in general, I feel like the market is bound to correct for them far greater than say Neo/EX. Maybe Iāll see this post again in 3-5 years and be proven wrong haha 
but would love to hear other opinions/speculations.