The Giant English Market Thread

[enigma]

Going through my sales/purchases last year for tax purposes (I’m cutting it very close, haha) and was reminded of some auctions I won last August…I paid $160 for a near complete Platinum Base Set (all Lv.Xs, some secrets in 9-10 quality) and a near complete ex Power Keepers set (most exes, in 9-10 quality) for $315. Crazy how low those prices seem now, especially the Platinum Base Set. The seller was auctioning off a bunch of DP and ex near complete sets, claimed he opened cards from boxes at release, put them in binders and never touched them again. Based on the collections I bought, I’d say that’s the case. I also bid on a near complete ex Emerald set, but didn’t win. If I recall, I was the second highest bidder and the auction ended at ~$600. Using some deductive reasoning, some months ago I think I figured out that @hisoka107 was the winner of the auction and the Deoxys ex 93 graded a PSA 10. It’s been on my mind since the fall: was that you who won that auction, Hisoka?? If it was, congrats!

[Taigataipan]

@trevcatchem
We recently discussed about this same thing in another thread, 2 other copies existed already with red dot ( $10k purchase made by @thecharizardauthorty and kingpokemonmaster on IG also has one ).
www.elitefourum.com/t/what-s-your-favorite-neo-era-card/32512/1

Good to see finally some price update for T17.

[admiral]

[Dirge]

It looks pretty awesome. The swirl placement is unreal. Looks like he’s powering up a Fire Punch.

[Taigataipan]

Btw. the pop 10 1st ed. Blissey has been relisted on PWCC Vault, expected result.

[bustyoballs]

@admiral

Damn nice
So did you grade it ?

[ankleguy]

@admiral

Belongs in the God Tier Swirl Thread instead.

[admiral]

Nah, just saw the pic floating around

[trevcatchem]

@Taigataipan

@trevcatchem
We recently discussed about this same thing in another thread, 2 other copies existed already with red dot ( $10k purchase made by @thecharizardauthorty and kingpokemonmaster on IG also has one ).
www.elitefourum.com/t/what-s-your-favorite-neo-era-card/32512/1

Good to see finally some price update for T17.

Thanks for the tag and the info!

[zorloth]

@executive

@zorloth

I appreciate it . And yes, I agree. The EX Series has extraordinarily good fundamentals with true organic rarity (for high grade holos). Ultimately, fundamentals will prevail. As long as people buy based on fundamentals rather than hype, people will be fine.

And yeah, you’re not the only one who I’ve heard say that. Just like with WotC, a lot of people have gotten priced out of EX. I will say that lower grades (for both WotC and EX) are still very affordable. So that’s a good alternative. But JP promos are an amazing niche, too – the EX-era ones are crazy underrated, IMO.

Hey Hobbyists,

That’s it.

I just finished admiring Zorloths collection thread and I’m going to finish the Ex Era sets I started, but never finished, when I re-entered the hobby many years ago. I pivoted away to focus on WoTC and JP promos but it’s time I jumped back in. I ABSOLUTLEY love that era. Damn. How I’ve missed those cards and sealed product.

Time to head to storage and see what cards I already own… Time to fill in the gaps.

I remember being offered a full raw reverse holo set of Team Rocket Returns, from 3 different sellers for $350, then about 5 months later for $600 then about a month after that for $800. I always had the search saved on Ebay and would flirt with picking up a complete reverse set when they popped up on Ebay but never actually bought the few that rarely came up for sale.

Each time I thought they were slighty too expensive…

Oh, the regrets. The absolute regrets!!

Awesome!!! Really happy to hear I helped inspire someone to collect (or finish collecting) the era . Best of luck with it!

[surgenius]

@trevcatchem

@Taigataipan

@trevcatchem
We recently discussed about this same thing in another thread, 2 other copies existed already with red dot ( $10k purchase made by @thecharizardauthorty and kingpokemonmaster on IG also has one ).
www.elitefourum.com/t/what-s-your-favorite-neo-era-card/32512/1

Good to see finally some price update for T17.

Thanks for the tag and the info!

My copy has red dot as well, i have discern that like 70% of the pop has red dot.

[pichufan]

@bustyoballs

@pichufan

Assuming they’re telling the truth, that is.
At least a $70k T17 is more believable than the $129k sale Lugia we saw a few months back.

The $129k lugia got paid tho but was definitely an outlier
Even the psa smr has t17 at 60k+, we can doubt any private sale then when people mention prices

I find it best to ignore the SMR, I’ve only ever found it to be very inaccurate for Pokémon.

Their prices on Neo Genesis cards are all over the place, showing PSA 10 Heracross at $6k, Feraligatr #4 at $12k, Slowking at $15k which all feel like they’ve been plucked out of thin air. It even lists Lugia at $130k despite the last sale being $76k.

Another example of their SMR data being meaningless is for Expedition Pichu #22 which they list as $150 in PSA 10 - I don’t think one of those has sold for below $200 since late 2018 and they’re now approaching $3k.

[hisoka107]

@enigma

Going through my sales/purchases last year for tax purposes (I’m cutting it very close, haha) and was reminded of some auctions I won last August…I paid $160 for a near complete Platinum Base Set (all Lv.Xs, some secrets in 9-10 quality) and a near complete ex Power Keepers set (most exes, in 9-10 quality) for $315. Crazy how low those prices seem now, especially the Platinum Base Set. The seller was auctioning off a bunch of DP and ex near complete sets, claimed he opened cards from boxes at release, put them in binders and never touched them again. Based on the collections I bought, I’d say that’s the case. I also bid on a near complete ex Emerald set, but didn’t win. If I recall, I was the second highest bidder and the auction ended at ~$600. Using some deductive reasoning, some months ago I think I figured out that @hisoka107 was the winner of the auction and the Deoxys ex 93 graded a PSA 10. It’s been on my mind since the fall: was that you who won that auction, Hisoka?? If it was, congrats!

One I can’t believe you haven’t watched my YouTube videos, so I’m offended. Haha

I actually graded it myself.

[hisoka107]

@ankleguy

@admiral

Belongs in the God Tier Swirl Thread instead.

Based on a certain number it looks like this one was Express graded recently while the copy that Charizard came 24 got was a 4700 number. Which means it likely was in bulk. I’d like to see the upcharge for that one lol.

[bustyoballs]

@pichufan

@bustyoballs

The $129k lugia got paid tho but was definitely an outlier
Even the psa smr has t17 at 60k+, we can doubt any private sale then when people mention prices

I find it best to ignore the SMR, I’ve only ever found it to be very inaccurate for Pokémon.

Their prices on Neo Genesis cards are all over the place, showing PSA 10 Heracross at $6k, Feraligatr #4 at $12k, Slowking at $15k which all feel like they’ve been plucked out of thin air. It even lists Lugia at $130k despite the last sale being $76k.

Another example of their SMR data being meaningless is for Expedition Pichu #22 which they list as $150 in PSA 10 - I don’t think one of those has sold for below $200 since late 2018 and they’re now approaching $3k.

You’re absolutely right
I haven’t seen them overvalue a card yet tho
Always lack of data really
I believe the lugia was changed to $76k recently

T17 should be close to lugia valuewise atm
If this will ever shift,even if temporary, who knows

Btw that pichu is gorgeous:)

[trevcatchem]

@surgenius

@trevcatchem

Thanks for the tag and the info!

My copy has red dot as well, i have discern that like 70% of the pop has red dot.

Interesting! Maybe the red dot print run was of higher quality.

[enigma]

@hisoka107

@enigma

Going through my sales/purchases last year for tax purposes (I’m cutting it very close, haha) and was reminded of some auctions I won last August…I paid $160 for a near complete Platinum Base Set (all Lv.Xs, some secrets in 9-10 quality) and a near complete ex Power Keepers set (most exes, in 9-10 quality) for $315. Crazy how low those prices seem now, especially the Platinum Base Set. The seller was auctioning off a bunch of DP and ex near complete sets, claimed he opened cards from boxes at release, put them in binders and never touched them again. Based on the collections I bought, I’d say that’s the case. I also bid on a near complete ex Emerald set, but didn’t win. If I recall, I was the second highest bidder and the auction ended at ~$600. Using some deductive reasoning, some months ago I think I figured out that @hisoka107 was the winner of the auction and the Deoxys ex 93 graded a PSA 10. It’s been on my mind since the fall: was that you who won that auction, Hisoka?? If it was, congrats!

One I believe you haven’t watched my YouTube videos so I’m offended. Haha

I actually graded it myself

I forgot to mention the cards were raw, whoops actually, what gave me the idea was seeing one of your PSA submission returns videos (returns 12 & 13) where you mentioned you bought an Emerald set for around $550, which was around the price the auction went for. It could be pure coincidence, but you then showed off a few exes from the near complete listing. And the Deoxys looked like it had a good shot at getting a 10 from the pictures I saw, low and behold the one you sent in got a 10. I could be completely wrong though haha, but as soon as I saw your video I thought, dang, so you were the one who outbid me!

[hisoka107]

@enigma

@hisoka107

One I believe you haven’t watched my YouTube videos so I’m offended. Haha

I actually graded it myself

I forgot to mention the cards were raw, whoops actually, what gave me the idea was seeing one of your PSA submission returns videos (returns 12 & 13) where you mentioned you bought an Emerald set for around $550, which was around the price the auction went for. It could be pure coincidence, but you then showed off a few exes from the near complete listing. And the Deoxys looked like it had a good shot at getting a 10 from the pictures I saw, low and behold the one you sent in got a 10. I could be completely wrong though haha, but as soon as I saw your video I thought, dang, so you were the one who outbid me!

That would be. I’ve been snagging up WOTC and then ex complete sets. At first I went after less desired WOTC sets and singles, but when the market got too hot, I moved onto ex series complete sets. At the time I figured that ex prices would remain stagnate because when I first chasing them, they didn’t have a big following. I was clearly wrong haha. I thought that I could focus on grading WOTC cards in PSA 8, 9 and 10 for better returns (to buy ex PSA 10s) than if I went after raw ex cards. I bought 12-15 near or complete ex sets and they have paid off.

I didn’t realize how lucky I was to have graded that card myself.

[wisewailmer]

grading the cards yourself is so much more rewarding

[ToadsTreasures]

@wisewailmer

grading the cards yourself is so much more rewarding

You get a 10, you get a 10, you get a 10!