They are perceivably scarce, yes, but I assure you holders donāt want to contribute to a census of how many boxes they have as it contributes to the perception of more availability, the lack of supply is the very thing that makes them valuable, so anyone sharing the fact without needing to is just working to their own detriment.
No-one is saying they arenāt scarce, but pulling numbers out of the sky is just plain stupid.
Iāve got almost a decade watching the market, they are scarce. The person saying they think more than 40 boxes belong to members of E4 (eluding to them not being scarce) was the one pulling numbers out of the sky.
The only forum members Iām aware of with 1st Ed. Base boxes are Z&G (with 1), rainbowgym (with 1), and Gary (with 7, I think?). But I have to imagine that Iām not aware of every single box owned by forum members. These are just the people that have disclosed their ownership. But gemmintpokemon stated recently on this forum that āmultiple people own 10+ boxes.ā And I see zero reason why he would be lying about that. A prolific MTG vendor from Canada Iāve bought from many times also owns at least one box (wouldnāt surprise me if he had more than one), and AFAIK heās not even directly involved in the hobby. So assuming that when gemmint said multiple he meant 3+, then thatās a minimum of 40 boxes right there. Not all of these owners are E4 members likely so I will amend my statement: I donāt know that āmore than 40 are in the hands of of E4 members alone.ā
Still, itās a very safe assumption that there are a LOT more than 40 boxes in existence. The exact number is obviously not something anyone knows, but I would be astonished if I was personally aware of more than half of the total supply in existence lol. The total supply almost certainly has to be in the triple digits.
Sure. Zorloth made a presumption, he doesnāt know for a fact and it wonāt be proven. He made a guess based on the information available to him. I think itās silly to attempt to do it in any meaningful way, but there it is.
I think your statement of requesting proof is just as silly though for the reason iāve already stated: there is no incentive to disclose and it would be impossible to prove or disprove without auditing every member. Itās not going to happen.
ā¦and really āalmost a decadeā. Ok.
I totally agree with you, itās almost nonsensical to expect people to confirm you the facts(or rumors) they might know. Itās up to you to believe them, investigate, etc.
It was a presumption. Itās what people often do when they donāt have complete data. He has since provided the information he based it on. You should be satisfied. You wonāt get complete data on the total population because there is no incentive for people to provide you with the information.
Iām pointing to the idea that mentioning it within this context doesnāt change anything iāve said.
Iāve actually been watching the market longer than you and invest heavily in booster boxes. I donāt watch every sale as they are more or less a set and forget type of investment. But I check in on their prices every now and again and of course see sales in the headlines.
I could call you many things, but iāve no reason to call you a liar.
People I know are posting their childhood collections on social media now and talking about PSA grading. This feels like when everyone was buying bitcoin in 2017ā¦
Except @zorloth initially didnāt make a claim, but a presumption. To which, when pressed about it, he DID provide evidence to support the basis of the assumption, and then made a claim different than the assumption, using that same evidence.
Why is it this much of a crime for one person to say they merely think there are more than 40 sealed 1st ed base boxes left in the world?
He backtracked on his initial opinion and changed it up after I questioned the logics of it, which was my goal and I succeeded. Everyone else jumping in with their two cents are irrelevant
including the guy with 20 posts calling me a troll
If this is what you got out of what I wrote, then you totally missed my point. I never made this connection. My anecdote was to illustrate that itās not that hard to maintain the condition of non-holos. The person I was replying to stated that he doesnāt think there are as many āPSA 8+ā non-holos left as people think. I used something called inductive reasoning to address his claim.
I donāt recall you ever actually arguing against any claim Iāve ever made. You either offhandedly dismiss my claims or entirely misunderstand them. That or you engage in ad hominens, where you either insult my intelligence or dismiss my claims because Iām a new forum member. You clearly hate me for some reason, and thatās your right. But at least I try to contribute productively to conversations. I assume that you think my contributions arenāt productive, but I can assure you that everything I write is sincere and in good faith. I donāt think the same can be said about anything Iāve ever seen you post.
Getting huge bitcoin vibes with this too. Except you donāt have people buying shares of warehouses or buying random ICOs haha. Iām holding through the storm, I believe sealed product wonāt drop that much. The people buying sealed WOTC arenāt your average shitters who just made a coinbase account.
Lets look at the evidence provided. Zorloth can account for 39 boxes, however he forgot to add smpratte who we obviously all know has some amount. Even if its just 1, thereās your 40 number. Then add all the youtubers we also know have some - its definitely over 40. To deny this fact youād have to be either incredibly close-minded or have a vested interest in keeping the perceived quantity of the remaining sealed boxes low. If youāre going to gatekeep this forum instead of even so much as acknowledging the evidence brought up against your own claim, then itās clear to me you have an agenda elsewhere.
