The Giant English Market Thread

[acebren]

@enigma

@acebren

He backtracked on his initial opinion and changed it up after I questioned the logics of it, which was my goal and I succeeded. Everyone else jumping in with their two cents are irrelevant

including the guy with 20 posts calling me a troll

Lets look at the evidence provided. Zorloth can account for 39 boxes, however he forgot to add smpratte who we obviously all know has some amount. Even if its just 1, there’s your 40 number. Then add all the youtubers we also know have some - its definitely over 40. To deny this fact you’d have to be either incredibly close-minded or have a vested interest in keeping the perceived quantity of the remaining sealed boxes low. If you’re going to gatekeep this forum instead of even so much as acknowledging the evidence brought up against your own claim, then it’s clear to me you have an agenda elsewhere.

His original post suggested 40 boxes in the hands of E4 members, which when questioned by me, he could only name
members owning a total of 9, the rest are not on this forum. Stop getting so emotional and read carefully
before putting your irrelevant 2 cents in

[politoed666]

Brief general value/market question:

I have a near complete NM-M Shadowless Base Set. Already sent off all the holos to get graded. It seems like the market is exploding for pretty much everything Base… Are there any commons/uncommons in there besides the starter preevolutions that are trending upward that I should keep track of?

[jaredschallenge]

@politoed666

Brief general value/market question:

I have a near complete NM-M Shadowless Base Set. Already sent off all the holos to get graded. It seems like the market is exploding for pretty much everything Base… Are there any commons/uncommons in there besides the starter preevolutions that are trending upward that I should keep track of?

Arcanine, Growlithe, Kadabra, probably Haunter and Nidorino in my opinion, even though the latter 3 are prevos to others…

[zorloth]

@acebren

@enigma

Lets look at the evidence provided. Zorloth can account for 39 boxes, however he forgot to add smpratte who we obviously all know has some amount. Even if its just 1, there’s your 40 number. Then add all the youtubers we also know have some - its definitely over 40. To deny this fact you’d have to be either incredibly close-minded or have a vested interest in keeping the perceived quantity of the remaining sealed boxes low. If you’re going to gatekeep this forum instead of even so much as acknowledging the evidence brought up against your own claim, then it’s clear to me you have an agenda elsewhere.

His original post suggested 40 boxes in the hands of E4 members, which when questioned by me, he could only name
members owning a total of 9, the rest are not on this forum. Stop getting so emotional and read carefully
before putting your irrelevant 2 cents in

To be fair: you didn’t really address my conclusion. My conclusion was not “I can name E4 members who collectively own 40+ boxes.” Instead, I made the inference that, if I’m personally aware of ~10 boxes in the hands of E4 members, then there are almost certainly significantly more than that in the hands of E4 members. I would be confident in drawing quite a few conclusions through similar inductive processes; for example:

• I’m only aware of two E4 members with EX Deoxys boxes. Given the number of members on this forum who don’t disclose ownership of most items in their collection, it’s highly likely that there are significantly more EX Deoxys boxes owned by E4 members than I’m aware of.

Is the above conclusion necessarily true? Of course not. This is the nature of conclusions reached through inductive reasoning – we can’t deduce anything about the number of 1st Ed. Base boxes in existence because there isn’t enough available information. Many people on this thread (not you necessarily, but some people) somehow don’t realize that I’m not concluding that something is absolutely the case. I’ve stated a gazillion times that no one knows exactly how many boxes there are. Given that I acknowledge this, it should’ve been clear that my argument was inductive and therefore not making any sort of absolute claim.

[Cerulean]

@politoed666

Brief general value/market question:

I have a near complete NM-M Shadowless Base Set. Already sent off all the holos to get graded. It seems like the market is exploding for pretty much everything Base… Are there any commons/uncommons in there besides the starter preevolutions that are trending upward that I should keep track of?

Pretty much every one at this point. Even Rattata is going for $100 now.

[goonhoon]

Is this a good price for a PSA 9 Shadowless Venusaur?

[gengarguy]

@goonhoon

Is this a good price for a PSA 9 Shadowless Venusaur?

I think that’s about what I’ve seen them for recently. I think that’s a bit on the higher end though.

[shiningdoraemon]

A PSA 9 Unlimited Shining 'zard sold for $3200

www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Pokemon-TCG-Neo-Destiny-Shining-Charizard-Unlimited-PSA-9-Mint-107/164460593401?hash=item264a9d80f9:g:fuYAAOSwLA9fj5XW

[rainbow]

Miniminter posted a video.

A lot of influential youtubers are ushering in new collectors:
Channel - Subscribers
Logan Paul - 22.5mMiniminter - 8.92m - New
What’s inside - 7mTGFbro - 5.85m
FaZe Kay - 5.36m
Zerkaa - 3.94mGraham Stephan - 2.47m

[teraz]

@rainbow

Miniminter posted a video.

A lot of influential youtubers are ushering in new collectors:
Channel - Subscribers
Logan Paul - 22.5mMiniminter - 8.92m - New
What’s inside - 7mTGFbro - 5.85m
FaZe Kay - 5.36m
Zerkaa - 3.94mGraham Stephan - 2.47m

Hobby just keeps getting exposure!

Btw, love your avatar, Rainbow Brite!

[blueblastoise]

@rainbow

Miniminter posted a video.

A lot of influential youtubers are ushering in new collectors:
Channel - Subscribers
Logan Paul - 22.5mMiniminter - 8.92m - New
What’s inside - 7mTGFbro - 5.85m
FaZe Kay - 5.36m
Zerkaa - 3.94mGraham Stephan - 2.47m

Penguinz also makes a lot of Pokemon videos www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NtAPBzskdo and has 6.5m sub subscribers. Think there are a lot of medium big channels around 1-2m doing it too, that I can’t point to atm. It’s really blown up.

[pokenoob]

PSA 9 Evolutions Charizard sold for $1,576 @ 92 bids:

www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/133547059388?item=133547059388&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565

crazy times

[mitty]

I feel in my gut that modern prices must crash. No way it holds. I do think that rare PSA 8/9/10 vintage stuff will hold to some degree.

[connorc]

seems to me that PSA 9 base zard is already ‘tanking’ from its high

[blitzforay]

I like the modern cards but, they definitely are what I am avoiding in this current climate, plus right out of the box some of these cards are already more expensive than a good portion of vintage cards that I would rather chase after.

[brendantheclayboy]

@connorc

seems to me that PSA 9 base zard is already ‘tanking’ from its high

1st Ed’s? They aren’t tanking. This is what happens when people went from asking $40/50k overnight to 80-90k. It’s preposterous and none of them were going to sell. The actual sales have been very steady and on the rise in the last several months.

[assassin5757]

@connorc

seems to me that PSA 9 base zard is already ‘tanking’ from its high

The 7200$ and some of the 6000$+ unlimited PSA 9 zards were probably shilled considering there were multiples copies with BIN less than the auction prices.

[gengarguy]

@brendantheclayboy

@connorc

seems to me that PSA 9 base zard is already ‘tanking’ from its high

1st Ed’s? They aren’t tanking. This is what happens when people went from asking $40/50k overnight to 80-90k. It’s preposterous and none of them were going to sell. The actual sales have been very steady and on the rise in the last several months.

I’m pretty sure he’s talking about unlimited. I think a lot of the 1st edition base holos, especially charizard, are more protected from significant retraces due to their iconic status and low pops.

[brendantheclayboy]

@gengarguy

@brendantheclayboy

1st Ed’s? They aren’t tanking. This is what happens when people went from asking $40/50k overnight to 80-90k. It’s preposterous and none of them were going to sell. The actual sales have been very steady and on the rise in the last several months.

I’m pretty sure he’s talking about unlimited. I think a lot of the 1st edition base holos, especially charizard, are more protected from significant retraces due to their iconic status and low pops.

Gotcha. Yeah I wasn’t sure which version he was talking about. The unlimited have been on the rise lately as well. I’m not aware of any dip. I mean, I remember when I submitted my to-be 9 it was like 1.5k, and so seeing it around 5k or something around there seems to be quite the rise! hahah. Sometimes it is a shame I have to be so attached to every damn card. I wish I could have had a reserve pile to sell for these crazy money times. Alas…

[acebren]

@zorloth

@acebren

His original post suggested 40 boxes in the hands of E4 members, which when questioned by me, he could only name
members owning a total of 9, the rest are not on this forum. Stop getting so emotional and read carefully
before putting your irrelevant 2 cents in

To be fair: you didn’t really address my conclusion. My conclusion was not “I can name E4 members who collectively own 40+ boxes.” Instead, I made the inference that, if I’m personally aware of ~10 boxes in the hands of E4 members, then there are almost certainly significantly more than that in the hands of E4 members. I would be confident in drawing quite a few conclusions through similar inductive processes; for example:

• I’m only aware of two E4 members with EX Deoxys boxes. Given the number of members on this forum who don’t disclose ownership of most items in their collection, it’s highly likely that there are significantly more EX Deoxys boxes owned by E4 members than I’m aware of.

Is the above conclusion necessarily true? Of course not. This is the nature of conclusions reached through inductive reasoning – we can’t deduce anything about the number of 1st Ed. Base boxes in existence because there isn’t enough available information. Many people on this thread (not you necessarily, but some people) somehow don’t realize that I’m not concluding that something is absolutely the case. I’ve stated a gazillion times that no one knows exactly how many boxes there are. Given that I acknowledge this, it should’ve been clear that my argument was inductive and therefore not making any sort of absolute claim.

1st ed base is a whole different beast, even to a set like ex deoxys which is notoriously scarce. I’ve seen you constantly overestimate the amount of 1st ed base product that was released and still exists. Of the top of my head you originally thought there was 100 million 1st ed base set cards printed?