No set has been equivalent to Eevee Heroes since it’s release.
From your post I take it you don’t play the games and your interaction with the hobby is mainly/only the TCG?
That’s an interesting perspective, though I think the bigger problem is that shinies are very hit and miss.
What’s the point of a shiny set if you’re going to choose Gengar and Garchomp for example? (Not that those Pokemon are in this set) And the list of barely any changes is really long.
Hope for a shiny version of Porygon evolution line
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i think we can safely assume anything from sv3a onwards will not be in this set. the reason i say this is if raging surf cards were in this set, tera water garchomp would be between skeledirge and quaquaval ex. this means no jirachi, groudon, tapu koko, gholdengo, etc.
i agree. shinies matter less about which generation the mon is from and more about how good the shiny is. unfortunately many sv mons don’t have that good of shinies.
there are some that either i’m looking forward to or that i think others will be looking forward to
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I actually like the set (barring the obligatory Charizard) and the concept of these shiny sets.
You may see boring, white backgrounds and CGI full arts but I see continuity through multiple generations in a way no other sets have done.
You may see lots of shinies and say “shinies are too common now” and “they are supposed to be rare” but I see the opportunity for many people to get some of their favorite Pokémon as shiny for the first time. There’s also no doubt in my mind, if these sets didn’t exist, many would be wishing, even begging TPC to make more shiny cards.
You’re missing the forest for the trees here. Shiny Star V was the first time we got an entire generation’s Pokédex as shiny - and all within the same set, no less. Based on the card count and what’s been revealed so far, Shiny Treasure ex presumably continues this trend (barring Paradox Pokémon, I guess). If you’re a fan of a Gen 9 Pokémon, it’s shiny is probably in here for you to collect. This is something we NEVER would have gotten even just 5 years ago.
At least in the US, Shining Fates did EXTREMELY well - not sure why some are saying it was a flop? Maybe to you, sure, but TPC doesn’t make sets just for you, or for the minuscule subset of collectors here. The general public loved SF and all the shiny Pokémon there; I see Shiny Treasure ex being received no differently…maybe even better tbh, as Gen 9 seems to be liked more than Gen 8.
The children who have played SV for almost a year now (over a year by the time the set releases) will absolutely love this set. They already know the Pokémon and have spent countless hours with them, developing unique relationships with different ones. Heck I refuse to play SV but I’m excited for certain Pokémon here. The idea that they shouldn’t print shiny Gen 9 Pokémon, during the Gen 9 block, in a Gen 9 TCG set, is absurd. This is the best, and likely only time, to do it for some of the less popular creatures.
There’s a fine line between disappointment and entitlement. Most people here have outgrown modern - I have in many ways too. That’s ok. Accept the set isn’t for you, because it never was. TPC has already got you all hooked for life. You have a lifetime’s worth of memories with your favorite Pokémon as you collected the TCG and played the games as a kid. Give the newest generation a chance to do the same.
In 15 years these kids are gonna find these forums online and wonder how the heck people hated their favorite sets growing up.
Also, we’ve only seen 10 of the 140+ secret rares. There still very well could be something for everyone here - don’t be so quick to write it off as a bust.
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I think at least here/Discord, it’s not about outgrowing modern at all. Modern illustrations are the best ever and that’s why it’s disappointing.
TPC have just been getting better and better and I don’t think it was a stretch to think that the shinies would’ve become shiny ARs instead of this white background for the 3rd time.
TPC often seem to test a template and then expand on it later. Alternate full arts appeared in late SM together with CHR cards and both were brought back in SWSH. The former has turned into its own rarity as SAR in VU/SV.
When Radiants appeared, it felt like an evolution of these baby shinies - at least some of them like Greninja, Eevee, Jirachi and Charjabug. That’s what this should’ve been at the very least if shiny ARs were not on the table.
Just drop the Radiant, potentially even remove the Radiant foil to avoid confusion, but texture the picture box. As it stands this format removes so much style from the artists, it’s hard to tell who has done what.
They realized rainbow rares were cratering in popularity and finally killed it. That’s what should’ve happened here too except a revamp which was well within reach and already tested but didn’t come to fruition.
edit: and if they don’t actually give all of G9 representation (since the numbering is slightly off) then it makes even less sense because do we really need another white background Charmander, Charmeleon, Scyther, Scizor, Ralts, Kirlia and whatever else they want to repeat?
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Nothing from SV3A or SV4 will be in so no Porygon 2 or Z for sure.
Hoping some of the more playable commons and uncommons get shiny treatment as well as anything that was only available as a reverse holo.
Shiny sets aren’t too exciting to me because chucking a bunch of alt colors into the same set makes them feel less special. Would much prefer each seat featuring 2-3 shiny cards at very high rarities.
My confusion with bringing back this type of set isn’t shiny Pokémon or emphasis on gen 9 Pokémon, both are more than welcome. It’s the return of monotonous half art illustrations and recoloured full arts following a year of Art Rares and Special Art Rares. For the momentum they had going, this as a high class pack for 2023 felt really odd
Putting these side by side and not knowing which set they’re from, I would’ve thought the SAR came from a year-end celebratory set
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Yeah this set is most likely going to be a pass from me unless they include sick AR’s/SAR’s
even if it has a shiny flareon?
If it’s like the above art already released I wouldn’t be super excited. I would still buy a copy to keep a complete collection but it wouldn’t make it into my favorites. Hopefully some good art gets shown before too long!
flareon didn’t get an ex, so there is zero chance it will have reused art for the shiny if it is in the set as a shiny
That’s a good point. I guess what I’m trying to convey is that if there is a Flareon that gets released in this style:
Then I would be ambivalent about it. If it get’s released as an ex in this style:
Then I would be very disappointed as I don’t care much for the 5ban art style. As others mentioned above, I think it’s bland and a big step backwards from AR’s/SAR’s
Forgive me for I am a noob, and not sure how to respond to multiple posts at once. Is it just the quote feature?
Anyways, again, this set wasn’t made for many of us here and that’s fine. Expecting every set to be better than the last is a sure fire way to set yourself up for disappointment, as we’re seeing here in this thread. Many here only see alt arts (using the term broadly) as exciting or worthy hits, when TPC and the greater public see differently. Not every card has to be a grand, professional, museum-like masterpiece for it to be enjoyed. Many people like chasing the shinies in these sets - and kids especially love the Pokémon they are growing up with today.
I think a lot of conclusions are being jumped to right now. We’ve seen 10 cards of a massive 140 secret rare subset - TPC rarely shows off the “best” cards first. I think it’s too soon to write off the possibility of “no alt arts” or “no shiny alts”.
And again, if there aren’t any alts, so what? TPCi release 5-6 sets a year now, and if one set of reprints isn’t exactly what you wanted, is it really that bad? You can still enjoy the other 4-5 sets! Not every set is made for everyone. We are adults consuming children’s media. That doesn’t mean we aren’t allowed to enjoy what we like - in fact it means the opposite, we can enjoy what we like usually at a higher level than children. But it means we aren’t going to enjoy EVERYTHING made, and we shouldn’t expect everything to be made for our tastes. Whether we like it or not, many people are going to buy, enjoy and fill binders with/grade this set. Should they not, because “no alt art shinies = set bad”? C’mon now.
Artists don’t need to draw intricate or expansive backgrounds to showcase their style - these shiny half arts are basically like if they were to draw character poses on a white piece of paper. I, personally, like this style. And I can easily point out different artists based on how they draw the Pokémon - not sure how that’s a problem.
I will agree the shiny full art reprints aren’t all that. I’ve never really liked collecting them, besides those of the Pokémon which I especially favor. But that doesn’t mean I hate Hidden Fates, Shining Fates or that I’ll hate this set. I accept those cards weren’t made for me, and I buy the ones I do like (half art shinies). I think they’re cute, they look good in a binder, and they are tasteful (yeah, I said it). The white background gives them a sort of refined look imo, like they need to be displayed. And just look at how many people collect these cards - they are liked.
Until these sets sell poorly, TPC will keep making ‘em. Better to accept it and move on than complain every new set isn’t filled with uber-rare stunning alt arts. Having sets like this make those cards even more special.
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understandable. i feel somewhat similar. baby shinies aren’t my favorite style of card in the hobby, but i would still be happy to get a baby shiny umbreon or miraidon or some other pokemon i like whereas i wont care if miraidon ex gets a shiny card that is just a recolored full art.
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i agree with your overall sentiment. for those (of us) who aren’t excited about this set, it is important to remember that SV5 will be released in just over a month after this and will (likely) be back to sets like SV4 with tons of special arts for us all to enjoy
imagine the chutzpah to call a reprint set “high class”
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all high class sets (so far) have been reprint sets afaik.