PSA VS BGS & Compare/Analyse Results

[ozenigma]

@pokemonsyndicate

@ozenigma

If you think people are going to change who they submit cards to because you want them to, you’re delusional.

When did i ever say this… Im just trying to show some peeps some good things about bgs, and also what my new achievments and goals are gonna be. Maybe you should read what i wrote about my legacy ect before. What I ment by when i get my results back, is we can further compare things… Not do a Hate PSA Vs Bgs. Its got nothing to do with me wanting you to do anything, but it will be some good information for people to look at things differently is all… Especially with the type of cards i sent in.

So which of the following is you NOT trying to tell people to grade with BGS?

@pokemonsyndicate

Ahhhh thats where your wrong sir… there was an argument about this many time, and it still hasnt been settled, so i must furtherly smash it into peeps brains untill they understand the greatness that is bgs.

@pokemonsyndicate

Here is the thing also guys. I have always graded with PSA, all my stuff is PSA. But I can clearly see which one is better for my future dealings or atleast half of them, because the other half wont be worthy enough probz… I’m not going to betray psa. I will still grade with them to get a psa 10 set of the cards i want, but ill also be going for a pristine set. I just hope more people start sending and stuff, so we can grow the BGS pokemon economy.

@pokemonsyndicate

People are use to the grading scale of PSA, but to those complaining about not getting true 10’s and they dont understand why there card got over or under, I say test out BGS.

@pokemonsyndicate

You should have sent your gem mint espeon and umbreon to bgs by the way. Would have been way more unique imo Since those come in gem mint sealed, it is a big waste to send them to psa, you might have got black label because there gem and perfect centered/ japanese.

@pokemonsyndicate

I dont want dis thread to be a hate thread on psa, but just like a compare thread, and we can all compare our results if anyone is submitting to both which is probably just me I say… Hopefully this thread will change that.

No one here is going to change their minds because you want them too.

[pokemonsyndicate]

@ozenigma

@pokemonsyndicate

When did i ever say this… Im just trying to show some peeps some good things about bgs, and also what my new achievments and goals are gonna be. Maybe you should read what i wrote about my legacy ect before. What I ment by when i get my results back, is we can further compare things… Not do a Hate PSA Vs Bgs. Its got nothing to do with me wanting you to do anything, but it will be some good information for people to look at things differently is all… Especially with the type of cards i sent in.

So which of the following is you NOT trying to tell people to grade with BGS?

@pokemonsyndicate

Ahhhh thats where your wrong sir… there was an argument about this many time, and it still hasnt been settled, so i must furtherly smash it into peeps brains untill they understand the greatness that is bgs.

@pokemonsyndicate

Here is the thing also guys. I have always graded with PSA, all my stuff is PSA. But I can clearly see which one is better for my future dealings or atleast half of them, because the other half wont be worthy enough probz… I’m not going to betray psa. I will still grade with them to get a psa 10 set of the cards i want, but ill also be going for a pristine set. I just hope more people start sending and stuff, so we can grow the BGS pokemon economy.

@pokemonsyndicate

People are use to the grading scale of PSA, but to those complaining about not getting true 10’s and they dont understand why there card got over or under, I say test out BGS.

@pokemonsyndicate

You should have sent your gem mint espeon and umbreon to bgs by the way. Would have been way more unique imo Since those come in gem mint sealed, it is a big waste to send them to psa, you might have got black label because there gem and perfect centered/ japanese.

@pokemonsyndicate

I dont want dis thread to be a hate thread on psa, but just like a compare thread, and we can all compare our results if anyone is submitting to both which is probably just me I say… Hopefully this thread will change that.

No one here is going to change their minds because you want them too.

Its not because i want them to though, it is just further information that could change peoples opinion towards the 2 companies…
Is it just me, or do you do this with everyone. You grab there words, turn them into something else, and then try and make them look bad with your condescending " Advice "

You can pm me if you want, I only say things for fun that you shouldnt take so seriously… It is coming from me after all - ECT -And now I shall boost the bgs market by myself i say. everyone follow always ill destroy.

you think i was being serious when i said i shall destroy? Cmon man.

[ozenigma]

@pokemonsyndicate

@ozenigma

So which of the following is you NOT trying to tell people to grade with BGS?

No one here is going to change their minds because you want them too.

Its not because i want them to though, it is just further information that could change peoples opinion towards the 2 companies…
Is it just me, or do you do this with everyone. You grab there words, turn them into something else, and then try and make them look bad with your condescending " Advice "

I’m not twisting your words though, I’m quoting you directly.

But now that you’ve read that, you’re attempting to make me look bad. Fill your boots, champ. You think I’m condescending because I’m not willing to bend to your suggestions. I’m just not interested in BGS. Period.

[pokemonsyndicate]

@ozenigma

@pokemonsyndicate

Its not because i want them to though, it is just further information that could change peoples opinion towards the 2 companies…
Is it just me, or do you do this with everyone. You grab there words, turn them into something else, and then try and make them look bad with your condescending " Advice "

I’m not twisting your words though, I’m quoting you directly.

But now that you’ve read that, you’re attempting to make me look bad. Fill your boots, champ. You think I’m condescending because I’m not willing to bend to your suggestions. I’m just not interested in BGS. Period.

Dude, I can name several people that know you are a very condescending individual and only look to fight with people. Please stop this attitude towards people. My quotes are not to be taken seriously, there suppose to be funny, or humorish. Im not attempting mate, you offer your condescending 2 cents on everything here. Im not bothering getting into it unless through pm.

[killerred09]

I’m scared

[ozenigma]

@pokemonsyndicate

@ozenigma

I’m not twisting your words though, I’m quoting you directly.

But now that you’ve read that, you’re attempting to make me look bad. Fill your boots, champ. You think I’m condescending because I’m not willing to bend to your suggestions. I’m just not interested in BGS. Period.

Dude, I can name several people that know you are a very condescending individual and only look to fight with people. Please stop this attitude towards people. My quotes are not to be taken seriously, there suppose to be funny.

Name all the people you want. I’m not looking to fight at all, I’m highlighting your incredible hypocrisy.

I could care less what people think about me. I don’t care if you’re joking or not, you’re being consistently inappropriate. Just like when you got your ban.

[pokemonsyndicate]

@ozenigma

@pokemonsyndicate

Dude, I can name several people that know you are a very condescending individual and only look to fight with people. Please stop this attitude towards people. My quotes are not to be taken seriously, there suppose to be funny.

Name all the people you want. I’m not looking to fight at all, I’m highlighting your incredible hypocrisy.

I could care less what people think about me. I don’t care if you’re joking or not, you’re being consistently inappropriate. Just like when you got your ban.

You can pm if you want, i won’t continue this here. You are not a mod. Dont try and push your superiority over people.

Im not being innappropriate either, if you dont like my jokes or my humor, or the way i act, then ignore it and dont worry about this thread.

[missingno]

@ozenigma

@pokemonsyndicate

When did i ever say this… Im just trying to show some peeps some good things about bgs, and also what my new achievments and goals are gonna be. Maybe you should read what i wrote about my legacy ect before. What I ment by when i get my results back, is we can further compare things… Not do a Hate PSA Vs Bgs. Its got nothing to do with me wanting you to do anything, but it will be some good information for people to look at things differently is all… Especially with the type of cards i sent in.

So which of the following is you NOT trying to tell people to grade with BGS?

@pokemonsyndicate

Ahhhh thats where your wrong sir… there was an argument about this many time, and it still hasnt been settled, so i must furtherly smash it into peeps brains untill they understand the greatness that is bgs.

@pokemonsyndicate

Here is the thing also guys. I have always graded with PSA, all my stuff is PSA. But I can clearly see which one is better for my future dealings or atleast half of them, because the other half wont be worthy enough probz… I’m not going to betray psa. I will still grade with them to get a psa 10 set of the cards i want, but ill also be going for a pristine set. I just hope more people start sending and stuff, so we can grow the BGS pokemon economy.

@pokemonsyndicate

People are use to the grading scale of PSA, but to those complaining about not getting true 10’s and they dont understand why there card got over or under, I say test out BGS.

@pokemonsyndicate

You should have sent your gem mint espeon and umbreon to bgs by the way. Would have been way more unique imo Since those come in gem mint sealed, it is a big waste to send them to psa, you might have got black label because there gem and perfect centered/ japanese.

@pokemonsyndicate

I dont want dis thread to be a hate thread on psa, but just like a compare thread, and we can all compare our results if anyone is submitting to both which is probably just me I say… Hopefully this thread will change that.

No one here is going to change their minds because you want them too.

You never know.

[ozenigma]

I’m not interested in messaging you.

My original point stands, you can plead until you are black and blue in the face. No one is going to change their personal preferences because you want them too. Continue if you want, doesn’t phase me.

Edit: never claimed to be a mod. You got your panties in a twist because I quoted you. This isn’t about superiority either. I’m just telling you how at least I feel, and I know many others would feel similarly.

[pokemonsyndicate]

@ozenigma

I’m not interested in messaging you.

My original point stands, you can plead until you are black and blue in the face. No one is going to change their personal preferences because you want them too. Continue if you want, doesn’t phase me.

It isnt about me wanting people to change. Its about there isnt much information out on cards like gold stars ect getting 10’s out there with bgs to begin with, and most people look over the good things because there isnt much information to go on. That will change though when more are graded there, charizard, rayquazas ect… There is nothing more to it.

I already said Id be the only one doing it anyway, or one of the only ones.

[ozenigma]

@pokemonsyndicate

@ozenigma

I’m not interested in messaging you.

My original point stands, you can plead until you are black and blue in the face. No one is going to change their personal preferences because you want them too. Continue if you want, doesn’t phase me.

It isnt about me wanting people to change. Its about there isnt much information out on cards like gold stars ect getting 10’s out there with bgs to begin with, and most people look over the good things because there isnt much information to go on. That will change though when more are graded there, charizard, rayquazas ect… There is nothing more to it.

I quoted you like 5 times that directly contradicts what you are trying to say now. I’m done. It’s all there in 1’s and 0’s.

Take it how you want mate, up to you.

Edit; if you want to be the only one with a BGS 10 collection, that is an awesome goal which I’m sure everyone will agree on. No one here is trying to hold you back.

[pokemonsyndicate]

@ozenigma

@pokemonsyndicate

It isnt about me wanting people to change. Its about there isnt much information out on cards like gold stars ect getting 10’s out there with bgs to begin with, and most people look over the good things because there isnt much information to go on. That will change though when more are graded there, charizard, rayquazas ect… There is nothing more to it.

I quoted you like 5 times that directly contradicts what you are trying to say now. I’m done. It’s all there in 1’s and 0’s.

Take it how you want mate, up to you.

I think your taking it the wrong way though. Its not ment to be serial.

Also the way you flip things is not cool because you taking my words out of context. This thread can offer up different things to choose from, you do not know if people won’t like it. Its counter intuitive not to take new risks with things… How do you think PSA grading pokemon cards market started in the first place. Ed and others are responsible and they took risks with it, he was first to grade with yu-gi-oh cards, and now look at it… Maybe I might be first to start a chain of people who want pristines in there collection… you never know, to say everything is decided and make up your mind on behalf of everyone is as you would put it delusional.

It may be delusional, but that doesnt mean its not possible.

It’s not ment to be about forcing people, but showing others options, or making a market thingy… But also more important for personal reasons, making my collection different and the niche that I’m interested in, and others might be to. I understand that other people don’t share anything near the same goals as me, but maybe by starting to grade there and showing the things, people might try.

[stirfries]

[ozenigma]

I have not made up everyone’s mind on behalf of them. I would argue that everyone on this forum knows that BGS exists. What I’m saying is that your words alone aren’t going to change people’s minds.

Now I know you’ve probably PM’d a lot of people begging them to start grading cards at BGS for you, simply because you’ve asked me to do it multiple times now.

I’ll skip back to my original point, Ben.

Everyone here thinks it is cool you are chasing BGS 10 cards. We are all eager to see you progress. But that doesn’t mean we are all going to jump ship. Gee, I’d be surprised if even a handful did.

[pokemonsyndicate]

@ozenigma

I have not made up everyone’s mind on behalf of them. I would argue that everyone on this forum knows that BGS exists. What I’m saying is that your words alone aren’t going to change people’s minds.

Now I know you’ve probably PM’d a lot of people begging them to start grading cards at BGS for you, simply because you’ve asked me to do it multiple times now.

I’ll skip back to my original point, Ben.

Everyone here thinks it is cool you are chasing BGS 10 cards. We are all eager to see you progress. But that doesn’t mean we are all going to jump ship. Gee, I’d be surprised if even a handful did.

well the thing you said before was different to this, or atleast sounded different.
This is a good point, however when you say stuff abruptly it souds like you trying to tell them what to do, or use context removal system like fox news, so i get the wrong idea. When you comment, you turn there quotes around like what they said doesnt mean anything, and it means something entirely different to what they where saying in the first place… I dont know if your doing this on purpose or not when you say things like delusional ect, or hypocrisy highlighted, but I dont take it the right way because the meaning i put into things is not to tell them what to do, but have fun talking about things in humor, and learn some stuff along the way. To say it is innapropriate to have fun i will never understand. I dont know why your so boring about everything… Have some fun.

Also if a handful does start doing it, then that is totally worth all these conversations on this topic.

[pokemonsyndicate]

@dragontype

@ozenigma

So which of the following is you NOT trying to tell people to grade with BGS?

No one here is going to change their minds because you want them too.

lol the evidence is quite damning

Yes This big paragraph make me look really bad, however this isnt the meaning of the thread i was after. I dont think before i speak some words, because there not ment to be taken as serious meaning.

Pokesynd Owned 2016: count 1

I have lost this battle, but i will not lose the war.

[ozenigma]

@pokemonsyndicate

@ozenigma

I have not made up everyone’s mind on behalf of them. I would argue that everyone on this forum knows that BGS exists. What I’m saying is that your words alone aren’t going to change people’s minds.

Now I know you’ve probably PM’d a lot of people begging them to start grading cards at BGS for you, simply because you’ve asked me to do it multiple times now.

I’ll skip back to my original point, Ben.

Everyone here thinks it is cool you are chasing BGS 10 cards. We are all eager to see you progress. But that doesn’t mean we are all going to jump ship. Gee, I’d be surprised if even a handful did.

well the thing you said before was different to this, or atleast sounded different.
This is a good point, however when you say stuff abruptly it souds like you trying to tell them what to do, or use context removal system like fox news, so i get the wrong idea. When you comment, you turn there quotes around like what they said doesnt mean anything, and it means something entirely different to what they where saying in the first place… I dont know if your doing this on purpose or not when you say things like delusional ect, or hypocrisy highlighted, but I dont take it the right way because the meaning i put into things is not to tell them what to do, but have fun talking about things in humor, and learn some stuff along the way. To say it is innapropriate to have fun i will never understand. I dont know why your so boring about everything… Have some fun.

Also if a handful does start doing it, then that is totally worth all these conversations on this topic.

Ben, you have to understand something. Please read over these next lines as many times as you need to;

When I quote you directly, I don’t take anything out of context. I am quoting YOU directly.

When you say that I am flipping your words, that just isn’t the case. I am relying on your words as your opinion. When you say that you are just joking, but then the next line is you want more me more people to grade with BGS, that is hypocritical. I just can’t see any other way around it.

If everyone shifted to BGS, it wouldn’t stop me from grading with PSA still (primarily because unlike a lot of collectors, I’m not in this for money, I’m in it for pleasure and enjoy uniformity.). Not saying those concerned primarily with money are bad people, it really doesn’t affect me why or how someone is doing their own thing.

What you find humorous, someone else finds threatening. You shouldn’t be;

• throwing the things at people
• destroying people

It’s just not warranted or appropriate, no matter how much you are joking. Of course, that’s just my opinion though.

[ozenigma]

@pokemonsyndicate

@dragontype

lol the evidence is quite damning

Yes This big paragraph make me look really bad, however this isnt the meaning of the thread i was after. I dont think before i speak some words, because there not ment to be taken as serious meaning.

Pokesynd Owned 2016: count 1

I have lost this battle, but i will not lose the war.

This isn’t a war against you Ben. It never has been and never will be. You are very much apart of this community and we all like seeing your updates and whatnot.

[dragontype]

@pokemonsyndicate

@dragontype

lol the evidence is quite damning

Yes This big paragraph make me look really bad, however this isnt the meaning of the thread i was after. I dont think before i speak some words, because there not ment to be taken as serious meaning.

Pokesynd Owned 2016: count 1

I have lost this battle, but i will not lose the war.

oh no dont get me wrong lol. Im not siding or reinforcing anyone in this debate. I thought it was funny how you said you weren’t trying to convince people about BGS and than Oz points out all these quotes from you. To me in my head it was funny especially the “And now I shall boost the bgs market by myself i say. everyone follow always ill DESTROY”

[pokemonsyndicate]

@ozenigma

@pokemonsyndicate

well the thing you said before was different to this, or atleast sounded different.
This is a good point, however when you say stuff abruptly it souds like you trying to tell them what to do, or use context removal system like fox news, so i get the wrong idea. When you comment, you turn there quotes around like what they said doesnt mean anything, and it means something entirely different to what they where saying in the first place… I dont know if your doing this on purpose or not when you say things like delusional ect, or hypocrisy highlighted, but I dont take it the right way because the meaning i put into things is not to tell them what to do, but have fun talking about things in humor, and learn some stuff along the way. To say it is innapropriate to have fun i will never understand. I dont know why your so boring about everything… Have some fun.

Also if a handful does start doing it, then that is totally worth all these conversations on this topic.

Ben, you have to understand something. Please read over these next lines as many times as you need to;

When I quote you directly, I don’t take anything out of context. I am quoting YOU directly.

When you say that I am flipping your words, that just isn’t the case. I am relying on your words as your opinion. When you say that you are just joking, but then the next line is you want more me more people to grade with BGS, that is hypocritical. I just can’t see any other way around it.

If everyone shifted to BGS, it wouldn’t stop me from grading with PSA still (primarily because unlike a lot of collectors, I’m not in this for money, I’m in it for pleasure and enjoy uniformity.). Not saying those concerned primarily with money are bad people, it really doesn’t affect me why or how someone is doing their own thing.

What you find humorous, someone else finds threatening. You shouldn’t be;

• throwing the things at people
• destroying people

It’s just not warranted or appropriate, no matter how much you are joking. Of course, that’s just my opinion though.

Well you need to change your opinion of joking always i will be destroying and throwing the things at you.

ALSO OZENIGMA LETS GET THIS ONE CLEAR… I AM NOT IN THIS FOR PROFIT, and those who would be grading the card as pristines for profit is not what i am trying to get through point wise for this thread. The thing im trying to get through is for people who want an extremely unique, and perfectionist collection.

Also, I admit defeat by disagreeing with you without reading my previous comments, and assuming the worst in you… things didnt work out so well… However It always seems bad to me to try and restrict people having fun based on your idea of what is innapropriate/ not fun.

This is a pokemon community, and should be encouraging people to have fun.

Pokesynd throwing the things and destroying is part of my expressions/behaviour… I have mental state of 5 year old child, you shouldnt let this effect you.