PSA 9 Shadowless Charizard value potential

[silentoaths]

Hey everyone happy Friday and if you are a Game of Thrones fan like me happy season finale weekend or happy boxing weekend if you are looking forward to the fight! Anyway, I wanted to know what people’s thoughts are on the potential value of PSA 9 charizard Shadowless. Or to be more specific what it’s potential price value could be compared to PSA 10 unlimited charizard. Based on both cards current pop they are practically dead even currently. As many know base set had different print runs and while shadowless had 1 print run unlimited had multiple print runs (I think 6 or 7 correct me if I’m wrong). Knowing the print run difference we can assume that the amount of potential 9
Charizard shadowless left ungraded is very small next to the potential for more 10s from the unlimited prints out there. We can further assume that if that is the case that we will see the population change in a Given amount of time where unlimited 10s will increase while shadowless 9s remain relatively the same. Given that fact do you guys see psa 9 shadowless charizard overtaking unlimited 10 in price value based on potential lower pop rarity and the fact that it did come before unlimited or do you feel it will always remain close but never overtake the value of a 10 unlimited zard?

SIDE NOTE: Sorry in advance if I posted this in the wrong category I couldn’t decide if they was a general question or current market discussion since its kind of both.

[raichuforyou]

@silentoaths

Hey everyone happy Friday and if you are a Game of Thrones fan like me happy season finale weekend or happy boxing weekend if you are looking forward to the fight! Anyway, I wanted to know what people’s thoughts are on the potential value of PSA 9 charizard Shadowless. Or to be more specific what it’s potential price value could be compared to PSA 10 unlimited charizard. Based on both cards current pop they are practically dead even currently. As many know base set had different print runs and while shadowless had 1 print run unlimited had multiple print runs (I think 6 or 7 correct me if I’m wrong). Knowing the print run difference we can assume that the amount of potential 9
Charizard shadowless left ungraded is very small next to the potential for more 10s from the unlimited prints out there. We can further assume that if that is the case that we will see the population change in a Given amount of time where unlimited 10s will increase while shadowless 9s remain relatively the same. Given that fact do you guys see psa 9 shadowless charizard overtaking unlimited 10 in price value based on potential lower pop rarity and the fact that it did come before unlimited or do you feel it will always remain close but never overtake the value of a 10 unlimited zard?

SIDE NOTE: Sorry in advance if I posted this in the wrong category I couldn’t decide if they was a general question or current market discussion since its kind of both.

Psa 9 shadowless will probably never exceed a psa 10 unlimited. Though I do believe there is still room for growth for both cards especially the shadowless

[jj1]

At some point, PSA 9 Shadowless will definitely exceed PSA 10 unlimited for the simple reason that there’s an endless supply of unlimited Charizards and a very, very limited number of Shadowless cards by comparison. The number of 1st Ed. + Shadowless cards is going to almost permanently level off at some point. Whether that’s 10 days from now or 10 years from now, nobody can say. But whenever the main supply of limited prints runs out, that’s when their true potential will emerge.

[silentoaths]

@jj1

At some point, PSA 9 Shadowless will definitely exceed PSA 10 unlimited for the simple reason that there’s an endless supply of unlimited Charizards and a very, very limited number of Shadowless cards by comparison. The number of 1st Ed. + Shadowless cards is going to almost permanently level off at some point. Whether that’s 10 days from now or 10 years from now, nobody can say. But whenever the main supply of limited prints runs out, that’s when their true potential will emerge.

My thoughts exactly it’s not about if it will happen. Rather when it will happen. Time will tell.

[cinnaminhbun]

@silentoaths

@jj1

At some point, PSA 9 Shadowless will definitely exceed PSA 10 unlimited for the simple reason that there’s an endless supply of unlimited Charizards and a very, very limited number of Shadowless cards by comparison. The number of 1st Ed. + Shadowless cards is going to almost permanently level off at some point. Whether that’s 10 days from now or 10 years from now, nobody can say. But whenever the main supply of limited prints runs out, that’s when their true potential will emerge.

My thoughts exactly it’s not about if it will happen. Rather when it will happen. Time will tell.

Honestly don’t forget that markets behave very… irrationally. Think about casual collectors. If I’ve been away from Pokémon for a while and I want to truly relish in the beauty of the nostalgia bomb, and I’ve happened to also become moderately wealthy since I was away, I might be more inclined to hunt down 10’s. I understand that a true collector will see and seek out the differences between unlimited, shadowless, and 1st edition base, but a casual collector might not. They might honestly just see unlimited, equate it to what they had back in the day, and drop $2,000 on that.

TL;DR, I do agree that the price of PSA 9 shadowless can go up, but the market for the PSA 10 unlimited is going to be naturally bigger, and so even with greater supply, it should be able to maintain a high price relative to the PSA 9 shadowless.

[silentoaths]

@cinnaminhbun

@silentoaths

My thoughts exactly it’s not about if it will happen. Rather when it will happen. Time will tell.

Honestly don’t forget that markets behave very… irrationally. Think about casual collectors. If I’ve been away from Pokémon for a while and I want to truly relish in the beauty of the nostalgia bomb, and I’ve happened to also become moderately wealthy since I was away, I might be more inclined to hunt down 10’s. I understand that a true collector will see and seek out the differences between unlimited, shadowless, and 1st edition base, but a casual collector might not. They might honestly just see unlimited, equate it to what they had back in the day, and drop $2,000 on that.

TL;DR, I do agree that the price of PSA 9 shadowless can go up, but the market for the PSA 10 unlimited is going to be naturally bigger, and so even with greater supply, it should be able to maintain a high price relative to the PSA 9 shadowless.

Very true. I never really thought about it like that. Like the input. Thank you.

[ssjc]

@jj1

At some point, PSA 9 Shadowless will definitely exceed PSA 10 unlimited for the simple reason that there’s an endless supply of unlimited Charizards and a very, very limited number of Shadowless cards by comparison. The number of 1st Ed. + Shadowless cards is going to almost permanently level off at some point. Whether that’s 10 days from now or 10 years from now, nobody can say. But whenever the main supply of limited prints runs out, that’s when their true potential will emerge.

I Bought a shadowless psa 8 Charizard a couple months ago. I sold the same card this week for 35% more. the shadowless market is always going to increase faster and reach a higher ceiling compared to unlimited IMO.

[budget]

@ssjc

@jj1

At some point, PSA 9 Shadowless will definitely exceed PSA 10 unlimited for the simple reason that there’s an endless supply of unlimited Charizards and a very, very limited number of Shadowless cards by comparison. The number of 1st Ed. + Shadowless cards is going to almost permanently level off at some point. Whether that’s 10 days from now or 10 years from now, nobody can say. But whenever the main supply of limited prints runs out, that’s when their true potential will emerge.

I Bought a shadowless psa 8 Charizard a couple months ago. I sold the same card this week for 35% more. the shadowless market is always going to increase faster and reach a higher ceiling compared to unlimited IMO.

When considering Unlimited vs Shadowless I’d say that holds true for everything that isn’t a PSA 10 unlimited Zard.

PSA 9 Shadowless Zard has jumped recently though.

[silentoaths]

@budget

@ssjc

I Bought a shadowless psa 8 Charizard a couple months ago. I sold the same card this week for 35% more. the shadowless market is always going to increase faster and reach a higher ceiling compared to unlimited IMO.

When considering Unlimited vs Shadowless I’d say that holds true for everything that isn’t a PSA 10 unlimited Zard.

PSA 9 Shadowless Zard has jumped recently though.

Yeah that may be true, its like cinnaminhbun said. People who are new to collecting or PSA 10 enthusiasts might be more inclined to pay more for a unlimited 10 over a shadowless 9 even if they pop ends up a lot more. Just based on the sole fact that they are receiving a Gem Mint product over a mint product.

[pfm]

I’d take a PSA 9 shadowless over PSA 10 unlimited Zard. For me the rarity and historical significance eclipses the slight grade difference.

But I’m just a drop in the ocean of collectors ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[KingPokemon]

Not considering my collection, investment wise I’d rather have 10 shadowless 9s than one Shadowless 10.

[silentoaths]

@KingPokemon

Not considering my collection, investment wise I’d rather have 10 shadowless 9s than one Shadowless 10.

How about 1 shadowless 9 vs 1 unlimited 10?

[KingPokemon]

Definitely an unlimited 10

[budget]

@silentoaths

@budget

When considering Unlimited vs Shadowless I’d say that holds true for everything that isn’t a PSA 10 unlimited Zard.

PSA 9 Shadowless Zard has jumped recently though.

Yeah that may be true, its like cinnaminhbun said. People who are new to collecting or PSA 10 enthusiasts might be more inclined to pay more for a unlimited 10 over a shadowless 9 even if they pop ends up a lot more. Just based on the sole fact that they are receiving a Gem Mint product over a mint product.

But once the Shadowless 10 starts hitting the 5-figures I doubt this would be the case.

[wilde]

Anyone have any more insights on this? I remember watching the last PWCC shadowless zard sell for 565 a few months ago. Now it’s at 820ish. And the last BIN sold for this card was around $820. Whereas again they were at $500 a few months back.

Should I pick up my copy now before prices grow even higher? Or will we the price soon plateau and remain at a certain level.

[scott315]

@wilde

Anyone have any more insights on this? I remember watching the last PWCC shadowless zard sell for 565 a few months ago. Now it’s at 820ish. And the last BIN sold for this card was around $820. Whereas again they were at $500 a few months back.

Should I pick up my copy now before prices grow even higher? Or will we the price soon plateau and remain at a certain level.

There’s another one on Ebay right now with ~7 days to go.

www.ebay.com/itm/1999-POKEMON-CHARIZARD-HOLO-SHADOWLESS-4-PSA-MINT-9-P0935/222624325143?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I think the card is probably worth anywhere from $550-$600 right now, but due to the surprisingly low number of copies that pop up on Ebay, people feel the need to overpay since it is such a good investment piece.

[smpratte]

If a cards current bid is $822, and the perceived price is $500-600, you are going to have a bad time.

[swolepoke]

@smpratte

If a cards current bid is $822, and the perceived price is $500-600, you are going to have a bad time.

Scott stop being mean to Scott.

[wilde]

@smpratte

If a cards current bid is $822, and the perceived price is $500-600, you are going to have a bad time.

I agree. With such little supply on the market and high demand, would the sellers basically dictate the price (to an extent)? And will we see an equilibrium price soon where the supply meets the demand or Do you have different thoughts on how things will go(getting into speculation)?

[tem4elf]

Here are some values from the last year to help anyone interested in this card get a better perspective.

$450 cash August 2016
$428 ebay auction November 2016
$395 ebay auction January 2017
$381 ebay auction by PWCC March 2017
$350 private sale April 2017
$560 ebay auction April 2017
$550 ebay offer July 2017

I sold one for $550 this month for quick cash and to help a forum member out.
I sold another the same day I listed it on ebay for $750 this month as well.

Take this information and apply it as you feel necessary.