I would say this is pulling back the curtain too far for most people, but Akabane burnt the curtain to the ground.
You are right that most employees did this as a job, and couldn’t care less about the cards. Many of them don’t remember how items were released. Even documented cards like worlds promos, they don’t remember how many were awarded each year. And that’s totally normal, because its just a job. Stuff like this always carries more risk. I am not trying to criticize, if anything the leap of faith is alluring for some; it just can’t be overstated how most wotc employees were working a job, and their experience ≠ expertise.
Yeh well as far as the curtain goes , it’s nice to think when you were a kid Pokémon was this magical thing, the cards themselves were mesmerizing to collect in itself and that’s not even half of the feeling of nostalgia I still get from going through my collection, or getting together with a few buddies and going to a show or card shop to collect the newest intriguing Pokemon drops. You get the day to be a kid hanging out with friends.
But I’m also 35 now (probably like most of us here) and have a little more understanding how buisiness works.
Wotc isn’t some magical Santa’s workshop lol it’s a business
These cards or ALL cards were printed by some Joe smoking cigarettes on his lunch break waiting for the day to end. Who can give a care less if they were printing pokemon or MTG that day .
FYI, to my knowledge the authenticity of those test cards are questionable. They come from the same akabane grunts who pedaled the fake prototype cards.
Who knows , all I’m saying is that @Dyl argument of evidence falls apart once you compare the holo bleed idea as being bootleg. When clearly the “authentic” discos have the same holo bleed.
Also the buterfree holo pattern is completely different
And the only think on that hitmonchan that aligns with mine is the holo pattern.
Which was a commonly used holo foil amongst cards in that era . Not only pokemon
Also if anyone can point me in the direction of who owns that hitmonchan I would like to get in contact with them.
I could see a world where they were testing Base Set 2 holo styles and looked into a disco pattern. But where would they be getting these odd formatting issues from? Base Set did have the original 7/102 set number, but it didn’t have the spacing issue between “to see” in the flavor text, and the energies were centered correctly. You would think that the digital files from Base Set (1st Ed, Shadowless, Unlimited) would transfer over identically for printing.
@PokeflexOP What did CGC say to you? Tell us if they authenticated your sheets or not. It’s interesting to me that you haven’t mentioned that at all.
It’s interesting to me that submissions take more than 4 weeks to receive. Which I only made this post a month ago. I’m also in Canada where tarrifs are impacting postage delays.
If I had the information I’d gladly share it . Even if it were negative results .
Like I’ve said 100 times prior . I’m not claiming authenticity but I’m not ruling it out given the circumstances.
Also you keep comparing that hitmonchan as if it’s a card I own to solidify your thoughts of them being bootleg.
They are not the same cards (one of my hitmonchan below)
I haven’t done that. I’ve added them to suggest that the disco style holo pattern was used in bootlegs previously.
It is very clear that your copies are of higher quality than the bootlegs I posted.
I am keeping an open mind to the authenticity of your sheets, and am waiting for their assessment. I have an opinion on their authenticity, but I am willing to be proven wrong if they come back as authentic.
My major gripe with you since the beginning is that you’re selling these cards without first authenticating them. I think that’s unethical.
There should be no gripe with me at all, anyone that I’ve sold them to when I have a closer inclination to them being authentic I’ve accepted a return and refunded their full amount without question. (Because I sold them for a higher amount) and it would be unfair for what they paid to be stuck with a card that might not be authentic. And I only sold them on the request of the buyers. Until then I had non listed.
the ones I’ve now sold I listed for bid with a very detailed description, messaged buyers making sure they’ve understood the description and what it means.
1 . It lets the market dictate the price going forward if I so choose to sell off everything I own
It allows for others to be invested into finding the origin of the cards. Landing it the right hands makes all the difference for things like these.
3.cgc is not the be all end all on authentication, they have their analysis methods but they also take into account origin etc. and even that can go south (akabane’s play test) and who knows what else.
People are out there selling a Cheeto shaped as charizard, and your gripe with me is I’ve sold unverified uncut cards with full transparency.
Seems like people will always have problems with things like these regardless of verification or not
You’re jumping through so many hoops to justify selling unauthenticated “test” cards when a very simple solution exists, which is to wait to see what CGC says. Of course, it’s not the end-all like you said, but it would help shed some light onto the situation in ways that you or I cannot.
I think this will be my last reply unless I find additional bootlegs copies that use the disco pattern or if/when you receive word from CGC. Best of luck and please keep us posted!
Pokémon Shadowless “Disco” NineTails Error (Read Description)
^ no mention of authenticity in title, cool..
Description:
Looks very similar to “disco holo” test prints
^sounds deceptive
These are UNGRADEABLE, and with no solid provenance are considered vintage
^ OK, so they’re not real.
These are actual holographic cards, not a proxy or a flimsy overlay.
^ Oh wait, then they’re real?
*THESE ARE NOT CUSTOM
Well if they’re not custom then they’re either real or fake, there’s no in between.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say your listings could use better word choice. How about throw “Unauthenticated” in the title? Because that’s what they are currently. Or better yet, how about hold onto these cards until you get an answer from a third-party. Despite the proto-scandal, I would still value the opinion of CGC.
