I understand you’re not claiming they’re real or trying to mislead, and I respect that you’ve offered returns.
Just to clarify, the bootleg in your reply is different from what I was referring to. I’ve seen that one before. What you have looks like something else entirely.
I collect this era of errors and test pieces, and I’ve never come across this style. That doesn’t mean it’s fake for sure, but I’ve never seen it linked to Cartamundi or any official printer in old archives.
I only meant to help. If it turns out to be something unique, that’s great. I just know I’d want to be certain before listing something like this myself.
(edit) Including the database of known sheets, I mentioned earlier.
i dont get why you just dont send them to cgc and then sell them… if cgc authenticates them and they turn out to be fake that becomes cgc’s problem not yours
also you cant sell stuff on ebay with a disclaimer that you don’t know if they are real or fake… if they turn out to be fake buyer can get their money back from ebay whether you know or didn’t know they were fake
Again , I already have . I sent 3 . Cgc still charges PER card . Real or fake if it gets send back I have to pay. The grading rate. That’s why I didn’t send the entire lot .
I hope you hear back from CGC soon. It would probably be best to not sell these before confirming with an authority that they are authentic.
Also, I know you keep mentioning eBay’s Authenticity Guarantee program. That type of program does not authenticate oddities like this. Do you really think someone in the Authenticity Guarantee program is going to whip out an XRF machine or analyze the print dots?
To obtain full proof of authenticity (or at least an insurance of authenticity backed by a guarantee), you need to go through a company’s formal authentication process (e.g., CGC submission).
Yes I already have, the hitmonchan you posted earlier is enough evidence for me just from the exact holo pattern that these are unlikely authentic.but atleast I know they’re vintage .
Tag @everyone so I don’t have to repeat the same thing 100 more times
OP had the cards listed on eBay as questionable and never tried to pass them off as anything they weren’t. He also started this tread and provided that information to me as one of the auction winners. It’s a gamble for the buyer, sure, but buyer beware as they say. Even then, OP advised me that he was going to refund my purchase given then potential risks. I dont see how anyone can give him trouble given the thread was started to bring awareness to the cards being potentially fake.
It’s a good idea to ensure that something is authentic before you sell it, rather than saying, “You can buy this, but I don’t know if it’s authentic.” It would have taken a single submission to know with certainty. That’s the only reason people have raised eyebrows.
Also, I’m pretty sure eBay won’t send items back to the seller if they determine them to be fake. I would love to see our seller here just wait and hopefully get the CGC slab on em
It’s not crazy for people to collect vintage bootlegs. It is crazy to sell something without first confirming that it is authentic or not, especially when the process is so easy (i.e., sending a single submission to CGC).
