Instead of making 1000 conspiracy theories about these counterfeits why don’t you simply learn something about printing to realize these are forgeries? Would be easier that way, and you would have learned something. Your cards are not authentic, compare it to any Disco or Shadowless card. Yes, it’s that simple. They don’t match anything besides having a Pokémon on them.
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Who’s made a 1000 conspiracies out of this, I’ve tried keeping this thread respectful but some of you are absolutely relentless.
I’ve posted the facts from what I know. You sound like an absolute hater lol
It’s collectors such as you why I’ve stayed away from posting on forums
Funny enough a guy contacted me saying he sent those uncut bootleg Charizard 4x4 sheets to CGC cos they are real. Told him they won’t authenticate those as they are a printed red flag. He said time will tell. Then contacted me saying CGC did authenticate them as real but that he will stay silent for a while idk why. Sure buddy.
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Your facts are the same as flat earthers trying to debunk the globe at this point.
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Saying they are not real is helpful, but then you go on a dissertation about why they could be real and how they are similar to known disco test prints or shadowless cards.
You can’t say they’re likely not real and then go ahead and try to convince the buyer that they still offer some promise and rarity.
Square cut , off cut charizard ,see condition in photos
Although these closely resemble disco holos ,they are NOT and have been determined to be more than likely NOT REAL !
they are vintage but with origins unknown .
Bid accordingly, as these will be for your collection only. and will Not be able to grade .
If you are bidding in hopes they turn out to be real DO NOT BID!
As all the information is clearly stated above, there is no returns. And I will confirm before I ship that you have read through the description.
Still very rare , and would make an amazing addition and display for any collector.
Bid is for cards named in title , and shown in photos.
Very similar to the known and authenticated disco holo test prints.
Key points
-Cards have black ink layer present
-cards have missing icons and stats as the other known discos
-Some of the cards have numerical errors in the card set designation (chansey is 5/103 correct number is 3)
-Ninetails has a stage error
-cards are glossier on the front then the production cards
-back is slightly a darker blue (varies in vintage sets)
-disco holo pattern dots are slightly larger
-origin sheet contained Machamp where as others did not.
-came with blank fillers cards where only the backing was printed.
Card conditions vary (see photos )
NFC
These are sold as is and un graded.
Direct Origin of cards are unknown.
I’ve made a post in e4 where you can read through in depth.
Card came to me in pieces of partial sheets without staff any wizards labeling.
Yes a time traveller knew Pokemon was going to be worth a lot of money in the future,
Went back in time to print cards that looked similar to valuable cards prior to 2015
Sold them to me knowing I’d have this conversation with you…
The time traveller was your childhood bully
How’s that for a conspiracy theory?
Don’t worry your comps for your cgc 1 gyrados won’t go down
You’re mostly posting facts that already align with your theory that they are real. That’s part of the problem here.
If CGC says that they are real, you will celebrate. If CGC says that they are not real, you’ll say that they are an untrustworthy company and don’t have the skills to prove authenticity.
Can you send a screenshot of your order to CGC? It would be nice to have proof that you’ve attempted to seek authenticity and are commenting here in good faith.
Bruh
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Thanks for sharing. I’ve never seen this form before or a 60 day turnaround time at CGC. Was this through a proxy submission service?
I look forward to hearing what they have to say in the next 4-6 weeks.
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I can confirm that is legit and was filled out with one of if not Canada’s largest group submitter.
He doesnt have the same volume for cgc so the 60 days might be factoring in a few weeks to fill the sub.
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I think this thread has reached the point of exhaustion. Let’s just wait until the cgc results!
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why would I be on here trying to go against myself, I am bias I’ve already stated that.
But I can also swallow that bias if they are bootleg no problem. And will gladly post the results .
I’m not here trying to dupe people or argue
And @stevethemagicguy is correct, that’s who I submit through. Didn’t post the top of the form because it has all my personal information.
But @smpratte is right… if it’s getting to this point, I’ll wait on the results . Post when they’re in and go from there.
In the meantime I’m still going to be hopeful there is individuals willing to help with the finding the origin.
Hi all, thanks for those contributing to the knowledge base here. I am trying to assemble a complete database of all the variant, test print, and pre-print (design) error cards, so threads like this help me a ton.
One question I haven’t seen a definitive answer about is if WotC made a Disco-Holo test print of Machamp. For the collections of Disco-Holo prints that I’ve seen, I’ve not seen a Machamp. And the uncut sheets of Disco-Holos corroborate this. So I feel the answer is: no.
And finally, the CGC population report does not include Machamp.
But before I settle on that conclusion of ‘no’, I wanted to ask if anyone has seen in-person a Disco-Holo Machamp that has the potention to have been test-printed by Wizards.
I haven’t seen a Machamp
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This looks like a Machamp from the original post, which is of unknown origin and not known to be an authentic disco test print.
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What if Machamp was originally part of the Large Disco lineup—before WOTC chose him for the starter deck and excluded him from the regular 1st edition holo line?
• Machamp is the only Base Set holo that never had a 1st Edition stamped version in booster packs.
• His cards were mass-printed as 1st Ed. promos—not standard holos.
• If the disco foil was an early or test pattern being considered, Machamp’s inclusion may have happened before that marketing pivot.
Instead of assuming it’s fake @bbobrob
What if it’s a prototype from the fork in the road?
Before promo. Before starter deck. Before decisions locked in.
This Machamp might not be “unknown origin” at all.
I call these large disco shadowless and my uncut charizards large disco First edition.