Logan “double up” Paul

[connorc]

@jcincy101

@connorc

i hate this argument. drumming up controversy and having an abhorrent personality don’t make someone a “marketing genius”, or really any kind of “genius”. it doesn’t take a genius to think of ways to generate controversy and clicks, especially when someone already has a massive platform. this isn’t something to be admired or lionized

Hey Hitler was a marketing genius too. Genius doesn’t mean good, you misconstrue connecting the two.

ah, you’re doubling down on this insane argument. zorloth responded more succinctly than i would have

[null_user]

@pokaholic

@trophiesonly

How and why does any of this matter when it comes down to collecting? How many of you actually do background checks on those you sell to?

I don’t sell to anyone I don’t like, no matter what he offers me.

Sure thing mate

[qwachansey]

Personally I’d prefer Selena Gomez to have bought the box.

[parkermrparker]

@qwachansey

Personally I’d prefer Selena Gomez to have bought the box.

Only if she opens what is then her box

[EnlightenedBulbasaur]

@zorloth @connorc

If @jcincy101 had said that Hitler was good at “propaganda” would that have been an acceptable comment to you? Because the concept is closely related to marketing (just a variation of it that uses falsehoods in order to motivate people to support a particular cause).

In any case, this conversation is another fine example of Godwin’s law.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#:~:text=Godwin

[jcincy101]

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@zorloth @connorc

If @jcincy101 had said that Hitler was good at “propaganda” would that have been an acceptable comment to you? Because the concept is closely related to marketing (just a variation of it that uses falsehoods in order to motivate people to support a particular cause).

In any case, this conversation is another fine example of Godwin’s law.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#:~:text=Godwin

I mean the main villain in most super hero movies is an “evil genius” so maybe I shouldn’t have gone all “Hitler” and done that example ha.

[zorloth]

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@zorloth @connorc

If @jcincy101 had said that Hitler was good at “propaganda” would that have been an acceptable comment to you? Because the concept is closely related to marketing (just a variation of it that uses falsehoods in order to motivate people to support a particular cause).

But look, getting into an argument about this sort of thing would be a colossal waste of time.

Also, this whole conversation is another fine example of Godwin’s law.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#:~:text=Godwin’s%20law%20(or%20Godwin’s%20rule,Nazis%20or%20Hitler%20approaches%201%22.

Yes, propaganda would’ve been acceptable to me. But what Hitler did wasn’t a form of marketing. Marketing involves the promotion of some benign idea or product. Propaganda, on the other hand, is malicious and involves subversion and misinformation. There’s no way to ‘market’ the mass murder of Jews – but there is a way to sensitize people to the idea through propaganda (i.e., misattributing society’s woes to the Jewish people). That’s not ‘marketing’ – the notion that Hitler was engaged in anything akin to ‘marketing’ is totally ahistorical.

[EnlightenedBulbasaur]

@zorloth

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@zorloth @connorc

If @jcincy101 had said that Hitler was good at “propaganda” would that have been an acceptable comment to you? Because the concept is closely related to marketing (just a variation of it that uses falsehoods in order to motivate people to support a particular cause).

But look, getting into an argument about this sort of thing would be a colossal waste of time.

Also, this whole conversation is another fine example of Godwin’s law.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#:~:text=Godwin’s%20law%20(or%20Godwin’s%20rule,Nazis%20or%20Hitler%20approaches%201%22.

Yes, propaganda would’ve been acceptable to me. But what Hitler did wasn’t a form of marketing. Marketing involves the promotion of some benign idea or product. Propaganda, on the other hand, is malicious and involves subversion and misinformation. There’s no way to ‘market’ the mass murder of Jews – but there is a way to sensitize people to the idea through propaganda (i.e., misattributing society’s woes to the Jewish people). That’s not ‘marketing’ – the notion that Hitler was engaged in anything akin to ‘marketing’ is absurd.

Yeah that’s all fine, I’m just drawing attention to the fact that we’re arguing about semantics here.

[zorloth]

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@zorloth

Yes, propaganda would’ve been acceptable to me. But what Hitler did wasn’t a form of marketing. Marketing involves the promotion of some benign idea or product. Propaganda, on the other hand, is malicious and involves subversion and misinformation. There’s no way to ‘market’ the mass murder of Jews – but there is a way to sensitize people to the idea through propaganda (i.e., misattributing society’s woes to the Jewish people). That’s not ‘marketing’ – the notion that Hitler was engaged in anything akin to ‘marketing’ is absurd.

Yeah that’s all fine, I’m just drawing attention to the fact that we’re arguing about semantics here.

Yeah; what else would we be arguing about? Logan Paul was assigned an adjective and I am disputing the suitability of it. That’s semantics, but doesn’t mean it’s not important or relevant. People in this thread are trying to argue that Logan Paul is a genius at marketing and, to put it politely, it’s an imprecise description of what he’s good at (if he’s good at anything). Logan Paul is popular, and people pay attention when popular people do something. It’s literally as simple as that.

There are ways to explain the Logan Paul controversy here that don’t involve calling Logan Paul and Hitler marketing geniuses.

[connorc]

@zorloth

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@zorloth @connorc

If @jcincy101 had said that Hitler was good at “propaganda” would that have been an acceptable comment to you? Because the concept is closely related to marketing (just a variation of it that uses falsehoods in order to motivate people to support a particular cause).

But look, getting into an argument about this sort of thing would be a colossal waste of time.

Also, this whole conversation is another fine example of Godwin’s law.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#:~:text=Godwin’s%20law%20(or%20Godwin’s%20rule,Nazis%20or%20Hitler%20approaches%201%22.

Yes, propaganda would’ve been acceptable to me. But what Hitler did wasn’t a form of marketing. Marketing involves the promotion of some benign idea or product. Propaganda, on the other hand, is malicious and involves subversion and misinformation. There’s no way to ‘market’ the mass murder of Jews – but there is a way to sensitize people to the idea through propaganda (i.e., misattributing society’s woes to the Jewish people). That’s not ‘marketing’ – the notion that Hitler was engaged in anything akin to ‘marketing’ is totally ahistorical.

yes, thank you for saying this. now that i reflect on it more, i don’t necessarily disagree with the claim that logan paul is good at “marketing” his own personal brand (via attention-grabbing stunts, and now essentially anything he says or does due to his massive following), although heavily disagree with calling him a genius. but very, very much disagree with the claim that Hitler was good at marketing for all the reasons @zorloth has mentioned. either way, no need to derail this thread further

side note @EnlightenedBulbasaur , really enjoyed your conversation with Jake on his channel!

[mcorey777]

I had no idea who this guy was until everyone made a big deal about him buying base set at record prices.

I watched a few of his videos because you guys made him sound like a movie star. And his prank videos are something I’d never be into.

At this rate you guys are going to make him famous for buying Base Set. Regardless it doesn’t bother me what this guy gets or does. It doesn’t matter whether we like him or not he still has the right to buy cards like anyone else.

[assassin5757]

@madden12ut

To be fair, there’s a lot of F tier people deeply involved in this hobby anyways. At least Logan will only be a buyer. It’s not like he’s gonna be commenting on forums or sending cards to be regarded 50x times for a single card. At the end of the day, all he does is bring more exposure to the collectible aspect of Pokemon and that’s a good thing for our hobby’s longevity

I agree with this. I buy from wowlootsellers who has a bad rep in this community and his eBay feedback is horrendous but he has some hard to find stuff usually at competitive prices. His packaging for sealed stuff sucks but I’ve been fortunate so far. He will also cancel your purchases if they go for too low or he has a high uptick on a certain product which means it was hyped up somewhere and he will relist for higher prices.By buying from him I will continue to support his negative behavior but at the end of the day he is a source for miscellaneous rare stuff.
There’s also the gambling side of Pokemon which I despise but other people generally enjoy opening up mystery boxes or entering Instagram raffles, so I’m not going to stop them. They already know it’s cheaper to buy singles over the long run.

[zorloth]

@connorc

@zorloth

Yes, propaganda would’ve been acceptable to me. But what Hitler did wasn’t a form of marketing. Marketing involves the promotion of some benign idea or product. Propaganda, on the other hand, is malicious and involves subversion and misinformation. There’s no way to ‘market’ the mass murder of Jews – but there is a way to sensitize people to the idea through propaganda (i.e., misattributing society’s woes to the Jewish people). That’s not ‘marketing’ – the notion that Hitler was engaged in anything akin to ‘marketing’ is totally ahistorical.

yes, thank you for saying this. now that i reflect on it more, i don’t necessarily disagree with the claim that logan paul is good at “marketing” his own personal brand (via attention-grabbing stunts, and now essentially anything he says or does due to his massive following), although heavily disagree with calling him a genius. but very, very much disagree with the claim that Hitler was good at marketing for all the reasons @zorloth has mentioned. either way, no need to derail this thread further

side note @hyruleguardian , really enjoyed your conversation with Jake on his channel!

I still disagree with the claim that Logan Paul is good at ‘marketing,’ but it’s honestly not a worthwhile thing to argue about . I’ll also say that the topic of this thread is equally not worthwhile. Everyone agrees that Logan Paul will bring a certain amount of publicity to Pokemon cards. The disagreement is over whether or not that publicity is positive or negative. And anyone stating anything about that is speculating – no one knows how Logan will portray his involvement in Pokemon. If he does something stupid like destroy the box, then that could be negative publicity. But if he opened the box out of genuine enthusiasm for the cards, then that could be positive publicity. But no one knows exactly what he’s going to do with the box.

And @hyruleguardian: I also very much enjoyed that discussion and I hope you guys continue it!

[parkermrparker]

I think he should open the box, but that he plays flip it or rip it with every pack…

[fourthstartcg]

@parkermrparker

So i heard Logan Paul bought the 1st ed base box

@pancakestak

filmed a dead body in japan

@burpies

Logan’s brought more suicide awareness than probably 99.99% of this world

@jcincy101

Hitler was a marketing genius

[swarm]

@burpies

Why are we so stubborn as people that we continue to judge others in their worst moments even when that’s not an accurate representation of who they are today? What ever happened to giving second chances and letting people have the benefit of the doubt? Why do we love to continue to trample on people who have erred instead of providing them with an opportunity to learn and grow?

I’m sure we can all agree that what he did in Japan was stupid, but the person he is today is night and day from who he was two years ago. I’m probably one of the handful of people on this forum who actually consumes Logan/Jake Paul content regularly (for reasons which I’d rather not get into) and everything I’ve seen has truly led me to believe that he is a better person. I’ve always found it funny that people are so opposed to him trying to redeem himself. Logan’s brought more suicide awareness than probably 99.99% of this world and he’s contributed in excess of a million dollars to suicide prevention programs. Logically, it’s clear that good that’s transpired from his actions have largely outweighed the bad so why do we continue to shit on him as if he’s some despicable person incapable of change? I’m genuinely curious, if this wasn’t Logan and it was just some rando filming dead bodies what do you people think would be a fair remedy?

I know I can’t be 100% sure that his on-camera self is not just a persona he puts on, but from what I’ve seen he has genuinely become a better person. He’s grown and matured a ton, his content doesn’t always cater to the lowest common denominator anymore, and perhaps more importantly he’s stopped surrounding himself with a bunch of yes-men who only cared about views. Jake Paul on the other hand is a train-wreck waiting to happen, but that’s another paragraph for another day. I guess all I’m trying to say is let’s be fair about our assessment of him instead of treating him as if he’s committed felony murder.

Do you really believe Logan Paul brought that much awareness to suicide prevention. Honestly, you sound so ignorant believing his video brought that much attention to the issue when suicide prevention has been a mainstream issue in America for a long time. Logan Paul used the issue of suicide prevention in order to try and salvage his name not to actually help.

[pokaholic]

@kingboo64

@pokaholic

I don’t sell to anyone I don’t like, no matter what he offers me.

How would you know who they are if the sale was on eBay or something

if i made bad experiences with people before, i avoid them. if they are rude or make dumb comments, i put them on the blacklist, too. i don’t see why i should sell beautiful and rare cards to pricks. i usually talk to people before i sell, if i don’t know them already.

[chappo]

[KingPokemon]

@chappo

Funny but for accuracy’s sake…it has nothing to do with business:)

[KingPokemon]

In my 66 years have I made any mistakes? Sure. Do I want to be judged by them or have them define me for the rest of my life? No. In High school I did some things that would have made Logan disgusted. Some of the haters on this thread would have wanted to crucify me👀Good thing there wasn’t social media back then lol.

Four lessons:

1. Live and let live (it’s a 60s thing;)
2. Things aren’t always the way they appear.
3. Redemption often begins with forgiveness. In fact, it often begins because of forgiveness.
4. If you want to succeed and/or effect change, judge only yourself.

Logan Paul made mistakes and caused some harm but he has also done much good “anonymously” which you would need to also know in order to fairly judge.