Sealed product will hold on, poke rev opened tons of sealed product before 1 fake. It’s funny how no one mentions all the good sealed product only the bad. He’s probably opened 100+ boxes since January and only one fake. I like sealed product still and believe it will be fine.
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I totally get that and understand, I’m just saying for me personally I just don’t like the risk and prefer knowing for sure what I buy is real. I am sure the vast majority of sealed product is fine.
Now I’m worried, If I sell a $10,000 booster pack, what’s to stop the buyer falsely claiming it was a fake and getting a refund?
@celestialdragon, absolutely nothing, this is why I only sell sealed product to people I know & trust or via PWCC.
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New video from PokeRev with more information. The box has been through 5 people since coming from ebay in June.
The best I can tell so far, this fake box didn’t have seam in the plastic seal across the base of the box. That’s the biggest red flag it was fake/reseal.
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Just confirming you mean this seal?
Yup that’s the one. All my Japanese boxes from this era have that. There is variation in shape/size/pattern, but present on all. Both my Neo 1 boxes look like your photo, quite a thin seam.
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Thank god. I recently sold this box and my buyer has been rightfully nervous.
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That’s a good sign 
I’m hoping PokeRev can provide photos so we can confirm that it didn’t have the seam. I’ve watched the both videos several times and I can’t see one, I’m hopeful that’s the case. If not, then the other external factors seem tricky. I’m confident though that the fake packs and cards are fairly easily spotted.
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Does anyone know PokeRev or a good way to get in touch with him? I’m one of the individuals who was involved in selling this to the person who sold it to him essentially and have lost communication… we need their response ASAP to continue the PayPal refund process
Those fakes were impressive, best I have seen. I was convinced they were real for about half the video. I have a feeling this wont be the last fake box we see either. Surging popularity always leads to an increase in scams.
The worrying thing is that our cards are just that, cardboard with a holo pattern. If they could be faked so well that even PSA doesn’t notice, then you can bet someone somewhere will be trying to recreate the 1st edition Charizard exactly with some modern technology. Find a way to make 50 of them and be smart about the grading and selling and you are set for life as a multi-millionaire. I imagine recreating a piece of cardboard is quite a bit easier than the majority of the projects scientists and engineers are working on, and a lot better paid
New PokeRev video with a comparison between the fake box and real box. Given what we can see from the two boxes side by side, I now believe the box itself is a fake reproduction, as well as the packs and cards being fake. Before, I felt that the box had been genuine and subsequently resealed with fake packs/cards.
So after watching the video and comparing between the boxes I have at hand, these are some of the identifiers I think we can use:
Real
- Lugia head cutout, 2 prominent horns, vertically aligned
- Lugia wing points above left flap fold line
- Typhlosion orange flame extends beyond right flap fold line
- Typhlosion front and bottom jaw teeth all 3 visible
- Murkrow definite gap (5mm) between feathers and top box edge
Fake
- Lugia head cutout, 3 prominent horns, slanting right
- Lugia wing points directly at left flap fold line
- Typhlosion orange flame stays below right flap fold line
- Typhlosion bottom jaw teeth not visible, top jaw teeth partially visible
- Murkrow feathers almost touch top box edge
There were some other more subtle things such as the colour that looks a bit different as well. But I think these identifiers are more definitive.
PokeRev also confirmed that the fake box plastic seal didn’t have the seam line across the base as we would expect to see.
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Did you ever contact him? If so, what happened?
Never did get in contact or any reply back from him, don’t want to jump to any conclusions of him being more interested in the story and YouTube hits than helping us solve it but it kind of came across that way.
I was in communication with the individual I sold it to who sold to his buddy I think the whole time and I was able to get a refund via PayPal as I had purchased this box in June off eBay and the individual who sold to me actually acknowledged and refunded decently easily. PayPal just had required the box to be shipped back to the person and PokeRev and his buddy were a little noncommunicative to me and the person I had sold to during that process which was worrisome. But we have it solved now. I was refunded and refunded the individual I sold to who refunded PokeRev’s buddy.
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As soon as I first saw the original stream video I knew it was not a “reseal” but just a fake box of fake cards–from that era, the way we see China fake modern boxes now.
Boxes were definitely being faked back then. I remember going to Shanghai as a kid and getting a fake box of MTG’s Champions of Kamigawa from a street vendor for like $10 USD, and they had all kinds of Pokemon boxes as well.
I will also add that the rip test is completely unreliable IMO. I manufacture my own board / card games as a hobby, and most of my printing vendors offer 300 gsm blue core or black core cardstock nowadays, which will have that black layer that people look for. It’s simply standard if you want playing cards with more rigidity.
Earlier fakes likely didn’t bother with it, but it literally costs a few pennies incrementally per 50~ cards.
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