Disney Legacy Animated Film Collection: $1,500 for 100 Blu-Ray Movies

Disney has removed over 100 shows and movies for a $1.5 billon tax credit with plans to remove $400 million more and will stop selling dvds in Australia and New Zealand. They would rather literally evaporate over 100 different titles from their streaming service (some of which exist legally nowhere else) for a tax credit than use them to fill out their streaming service.

It doesn’t really matter how popular or unpopular that content was. The point is, we barely own anything now. Everything is a subscription service, everyone wants ongoing revenue rather than a one and done purchase. Streaming is convenient but it just feeds into the whole “you own nothing” direction the world is going in.

Also, I know games are different than movies, but the archives absolutely exist to preserve media too. It’s a huge issue with games and a lot of digital only games were lost when the WiiU and 3DS stores shut down. The Completionist bought literally all of them for this exact reason.

I don’t think “people will illegally save and upload it” is a good reason to not care that everything is moving in that direction. People shouldn’t have to do that to guarantee that media continues to exist.

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To get this back on topic with disney, that may not necessarily be true. Many movies from history have been lost to time and we are only running into the first time when disney media is going to come out of copyright since the advent of the internet. Will they scrub classic mickey mouse from their normal media releases? Disney has always used a time limited distribution system so its already very difficult to find early disney media in forms that are not vhs. Many older movies and episodes are missing from shows like disneys world of color and even older mickey mouse cartoons that were less popular or dealt with wartime sentiments. What happens to movies that were less popular or dealt with troublesome content in the future? Currently disney retains strong ownership rights due to disney streaming platforms and can claim copyrights against most unauthorized streams to get them removed. What if they do that and then retire movies that may have been seen as problematic for them? What about licensing issues that disney is running into as it starts branching into crossmedia?

Heres an odd example: 2 decades ago there were rumors of Walts cryogenically frozen body being stored away in a lab and it would come up when you searched using terms Disney Frozen. A decade ago Frozen came out and destroyed any ability for generic searching on the topic. The subject does exist still but is much more difficult to find or hear about when current media has rebranded the idea of Disney Frozen. Whats to stop this from happening to older media as well and the original media fading into oblivion as it goes from page 1 to page 6000 in searches.

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@jonbo @lyleberr

It sounds like you two have a bigger issue with indirect (or direct) censorship and with the loss of tangible products than with streaming services per se.

I just don’t share that same sentiment. I have no interest in watching Disney’s racist films from the early 1900s. I don’t care to scroll through hundreds of DVDs when I can access it more conveniently and in better quality.

I don’t really care about odd rumors being lost on the search engines because movies with a related title are released.

What’s the topic at hand? This thread has shot off into a weird direction, and I apologize if I caused that.

It obviously got a little off topic but my more general point is, these DVDs will 100% sell out regardless of streaming being the more modern and convenient option and regardless of the high price point. Disney Adults’ obsession with Disney makes all of us look like casual collectors in comparison.

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Yes, I 100% agree. The product will sell out at any price point. Disney collectors are beyond hardcore. I knew many of them growing up with extensive collections. Some people (like me) even played their MMORPG Virtual Magic Kingdom (VMK).

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Disappointing it’s standard blu ray instead of 4K. Not for resolution but more for HDR.

I could see the value at $1000 in 4K hdr. $10 a movie still high but heck its 100 movies. I mean there so much history in that box.

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I am a pirate

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Why are you so confident in something that is provably untrue?

Someone needs to be archiving for everything to remain accessible.

Without the Internet Archive, there would be even more unaccessible content scrubbed from existence, whether it is how the websites looked or what content they hosted. Storage isn’t free.

Wikipedia articles link to many sources that have disappeared.

And yet so many films are left to rot in vaults, some into condition that is no longer salvageable like the Alamo. It costs money to host data hence why they have removed as many films as they have put on as @jonbo mentioned.

So, in the end, it’s a personal thing. You should have mentioned that upfront. You should reread what point you started with and how you ended it.

Tbf it’s $15 per movie which isn’t that crazy. Also I just showed this to a friend and they told me disney already discontinued dvds/blu ray releases in Australia. I completely understand the value of owning a physical copy.

Also a cost effective alternative is to just go through the list and buy the blu rays of movies you want to watch.

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Is it time to for VHS to stonk yet?

Picture quality being oversimplified and reduced to “4k vs 1080” glosses over a lot of factors that determine overall quality of the presentation, which also includes sound.

Streaming involves a lot of things like compression and bitrate (and as a result bit depth) to be able to download potential 100s of GBs to even TBs of data that cannot be done in the present time. Blu ray has significantly less compression to fit onto the large capacity discs, and has better mastered sound (which in my opinion is still mixed horribly but that is another matter). Saying streaming is highest quality is like saying the 4k iPhone footage is equal to 4k footage from a Sony Venice camera. There’s significantly more to it than pure pixels. One looks like shit and the other is some of the finest digital video quality on the planet.

Additionally, movies available in any digital format are only as good as the available transfer of said film. If it is a contemporary movie, sure, the master file is widely available in the the original specs it was meant to be presented in. And it stills suffers from the downsides of streaming it. But for any older films, you aren’t watching 4k in the vast majority of cases. If they say that, it’s a marketing gimmick of “upscaling”, not 4k presentation. I’ve seen plenty of netflix and amazon older films that I know for sure were just the 720 files upscaled. Criterion, for example, a company dedicated to getting the highest quality transfers, has a very difficult time doing this for even renowned/ historically significant classics and has to work hard at it to do so, as is their model. We are talking about obtaining either maintained original negatives of films (very hard to do), or high quality prints, like preserved theater archive copies). In fact, streaming services saying most stuff is 4k is counting pixels only, not only ignoring all the other details that constitute a picture, but also ignoring compression frame by frame.

There’s a million reasons why owning media is better than paying a rental to stream a movie. I see only convenience and storage to be the selling point. As mentioned before me, owning the media cannot be understated in importance. Especially in the highest uncompressed format available in every case you can. There’s also the same benefit as there is in having a record jacket, a book, etc. Enjoying the poster, any other add-in’s, etc. Bonus features not available from streams, like featurettes or deleted scenes. But concerning the best transfers, such as Blu Ray criterions (which are both HDR and the highest quality one can see a movie without ridiculous storage capacity to watch a single film), you aren’t getting that same quality with compressed streaming. Also there are 4k blu rays. But just like we say in the movie business, most people wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between high quality uncompressed 1080 and even moderately compressed 4k anyway, let alone highly compressed. It’s so trivial beyond high quality 1080 when talking about viewing this on a home tv.

Just figured I’d put in my two cents as someone who both collects a vast array of physical film media and is a movie buff and as someone who works in this industry and knows a lot about this stuff.

I don’t care about the Disney product and think it is very overpriced, but if I were trying to get all the Disney movies in the highest quality I could, I would be buying individual, known source transfer blu rays of them all day. For both higher quality than streaming is and will be for many many years, and for the benefit of the physical media (it’s peripherals) and owning that film.

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This is nicely said, Brendan.

It seems that I represent the average consumer in this case. Most consumers, as you note, will not be able to distinguish between physical and streamed media, especially on their 43" TV, 13" laptop, or new iPhone. Streaming benefits the common consumer by increasing access at an affordable price; imagine buying all of Disney+'s content in the highest quality physical copy - it would be prohibitively expensive.

I agree with you that owning physical media is necessary for someone with the knowledge to appreciate the nuances in audio/visuals or those with interests beyond the film (e.g., extended/special content). Of course, it is also important when digital versions of the film do not yet exist.

I want to mention - I loathe paying for multiple streaming services. I dislike how we as a society have gotten to this fractured point and how expensive streaming is becoming due to competition in the space.

BUT at the same time, the convenience is exceptional and the access is at an all-time high for an average consumer like myself. I spent thousands of dollars amassing my DVD/Blu-Ray collection, but now everything that I own and more is available at my fingertips for a fraction of the lifetime cost. And as I have gotten older, I have also become a bit more minimalist. Reducing the physical burden of media is helpful to me and is also environmentally-friendly.

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