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I’d argue the opposite. I don’t know how many times friends have approached me about their card collection and told me it’s all in great condition, and when I look at it most of the cards are PSA 4-5. Most casual people assume that as long as a card hasn’t gone through a washing machine it’s mint.

Also, the PSA grading scale was effectively developed for late 1800s-early 1900s baseball cards, where if you could find them in any grade above a 2, it was cause for celebration.

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@fourthstartcg nailed it there lol.

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I think if you know a card is clearly misgraded and hide that fact, it is still scamming. Lets say I had a brand new in box switch unopened but I know that the switch somehow was broken inside. If I sell that as “new unopened switch” without disclosing that it is broken, I am scamming the buyer.

I view it the same for a blatantly misgraded card. If you know the grade is a mistake and hide that fact, I think you are 100% scamming the buyer. And I dont mean like a 10 that should be an 8 but a 10 that should be a 4 is clearly egregious enough to warrant warning the buyer explicity.

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Remember all condition cards can score a 10 so whats the problem? This one achieved its highest quicker than others thats all.

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This is such a weird thread and all over the place. You could get a 10 if you resubmit enough and the grader accidentally gives it a 10 as some sort of actual data point of consistency with a grading company? Sorry, but no.

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This is a highly important data point. If psa made too many big mistakes all grading added value would disintegrate. Its called quality control.

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Selling a “misgraded” card isn’t scamming. Especially if there is a front and back photo.

Majority of sellers don’t have the time to meticulously check every graded card. Im a sperm of the sperm whale consigner, and do 100-200 cards a month. I see a card for maybe 10 seconds while taking photos. Places like pwcc who do thousands probably never even look at the cards.

Regardless, closely analyzing an already graded card is the definition of counterproductive. You already paid for a third party assessment, and misgrades are an exception. Im not going to pay a mechanic to fix my car, then once it’s fixed, pop the hood and check the engine myself for the off chance there was a mistake.

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Can we have a vid on how often my psa 1 can be a psa 10 please lol.

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The difference is that by selling a PSA 10 you’re not guaranteeing the card is in PSA 10-quality condition. PSA is guaranteeing it. At a certain point, you have to decide to either trust third-party grading companies or not.

That said, I always provide clear photos or scans, and disclose objective misgrades. But I don’t necessarily fault people who don’t (especially if those people are auctioning off hundreds of cards or thousands of cards a month like Scott or Rusty).

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The number of people trying to maliciously sell “misgraded” cards to unexpecting buyers is significantly lower than the amount of people who are just “too picky” (to use nice words) about the already graded cards they are purchasing.

If you buy a card that isn’t (in your opinion) the appropriate grade that the label signifies, I don’t really see how that’s the seller’s fault, even if they knew the card was not “a true 10”, true black label, etc.

It feels like a never ending nitpick fest trying to over examine every psa 10, bgs black label, or cgc 10 that pops up for sale.

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@smpratte Like I said, IF you are intentionally hiding the damage. Obviously the fault is on PSA but not disclosing a blatant misgrade (like a 4 being a 10) is still a scam imo.

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how would you prove it was intentional

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Im speaking from the perspective of the seller. You know if you are explicitly disclosing the damage or not in your listing.

Scam is defined as “a dishonest scheme; a fraud.” and if you KNOW the card is misgraded but dont disclose that selling it under the guise of it being a legit PSA 10, thats pretty damn dishonest. Sounds like a scam to me.

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I think there is a clear distinction between what may be ethically the “right” thing to do, versus the legally required (or eBay-seller-compliant) thing to do.

If a seller honestly knows that the card probably deserved a much lower grade than it received, then it is on their own conscience if they choose to omit that information from their listing.

No one is going to take them to court over it (and win). Actually, the eBay authenticity guarantee service would probably fully protect the seller.

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@squirtle1000 Yea Im not talking about the legality or what ebay would or wouldnt side with. Im just claiming its basically ethically a scam.

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If you wouldnt buy or sell one why worry? If you happen to somehow get one in your possession just give it away as a freebie.

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Im not worried, we were just debating that specific scenario as a ‘win’ or not and arguing the ethics of it is all. I don’t even buy graded cards except to crack open so it doesn’t really affect me.

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Where would you draw the line for a true 10? Strong 7?

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Look, there’s MINT and then there’s SUPER MINT (even minter than mint), which is what 10’s are, duh! You CAN improve on perfection! And don’t get me started on Ascended Super Mint and Ultra Super Mint!

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You should open up a grading service with those great grade names. Ascended should be subs 10 10 10 10. The other can be 10 10 10 9.9

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