I have friends who collect vintage bootlegs and have for many many years and these are not something they ever saw in all that time. What a rare find, and with such quality compared to the fakes in their collection from the time
That guy you are also now quoting joined in May and only posted in the fake disco thread.
It’s like you think people are stupid, when it really just makes you look retarded
Foils I’ve had since 2011
Discos since 2016
Separate occasions separate sellers
Nothing at a time when anything was remotely close to the value it is today worth making forgeries for.
Nothing I spent thousands of dollars on either .
I can tell half of you are under 25.
And aren’t used to this but Pokemon held little to no value .
Since this seems to have turned into a discussion of the foil packs too, I would like to point to @packyman’s evaluation of some of the foils in the Ebay Garbage Thread.
(And also point to my independent prediction–although not really a prediction since the listing was already up–of the listing title. 
Looks really a bit off? Slap an “error” label on it and you’re good to go!)
So now I’m @Not_an_expert as well?
I’m sure someone on here with the back end to this site can confirm that that’s not me if that’s what your insinuating
And there is literally other vintage bootleg base set 2 cards with the exact holo pattern @dyl posted so are you talking about .
I think of a bootleg as something like a card with a holo pattern that was never released, or full art weedle ex. It’s very unlikely those would be confused with a genuine item.
Pack wraps and discos that very closely resemble legitimate test prints to the untrained eye starts to feel different, more like a forgery.
At least in my opinion, I see bootlegs and forgeries very differently.
I think vintage bootlegs were also meant to trick people, but not to try and actually replicate the product so well. Mostly because there was no reason to. You were trying to get Grandma or mom and dad to buy the packs at a dollar store or flea market, not try and actually trick authenticity
I was also sent some for inspection, and the envelope has been sitting here on my desk for awhile. Been busy with other projects and haven’t opened it yet.
I’ll still open it and check them out though, so I can provide close ups.
The owner has been sending them to various grading companies (and myself), hoping that anybody would give them the green light, because that would lend legitimacy to them.
If they slip past even one grading company, the publicity can trigger a lot of sales.
They’ve been sent to AGS, PSA, & CGC at least.
I spoke with some of the owners of authentic disco foils about these in April, and in June I warned them that some had been sent to AGS.
Either way, the situation with these cards could effect the perceived value of the authentic disco foils, so I wanted owners to be aware of that risk.
I let TAG & CGC know what was going on.
CGC had already received the cards by that point, and concluded they were fake. I proofread their article, but couldn’t say anything publicly due to confidentiality.
Been waiting awhile for their article to go public, looks like today is the day. 
I bootleg wrapped in a forgery 
To your point, the stakes were so much lower. Buying a $1 pack of cardboard with monster pictures isn’t too big a deal compared to a $4 pack of cardboard with monster pictures.
Weird how the owner has so many that they can just send samples to anyone!
One of the things that surprised me about that, is that I was told that I could just keep them, and that’s pretty unusual if the person sending them thinks they’re real and valuable.
It crossed my mind that this might be a sly way to bribe people, because someone willing to say it’s real could then sell it.
On top of that, I wasn’t sent a random lower value example, the envelope is supposed to have a couple Charizards inside.
Lmk if you don’t want to keep them🤙
I’ll definitely keep one of them.
They still look cool, and will be fun to show to people as a conversation piece.
As an authenticator, I have a collection of a variety of different kinds of fakes.
Not sure what I’ll do with the other one.
(assuming the envelope contains what it’s supposed to)
my thoughts exactly
Please post some closeups when you can! I’m curious how similar my fake sheet is to the cards you were sent. I really wish CGC had included some closeups in their article. Are the backs of the cards you were sent black and white only?
Welcome back, pretty cool of you to check on the forum today. Missed you since May brother.
Please someone confirm that @not_an_expert is not me lol 
@smpratte I’m sure you have the back end login as a founder
Maybe siamese twins… 
While im certainly sure you’re not the same person, im sure they weren’t advertised as bootlegs or fake cards on eBay during the days they went for auction; mostly because papa frank & me were hesitant about bidding on them due to authenticity. There was NO DISCLAIMER these were being sold earlier on Etsy as bootlegs for example.
isnt matt stone the guy who speedeats random foods for fun?
That is Matt Stonie. Matt Stone is co-creator of South Park .
Cheers!