1996 No Rarity Charizard- UPDATE: 9/13 PSA 2 Price Added

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It has to do with their PSA label, normally they would use the Pokedex number as the set identifier number as Japanese doesn’t have an ordering system like english/other languages (?/102). But because the pokedex numbers for venusaur/raichu are wrong they don’t grade them. We all know it’s weird, but it’s their system.

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It seems the actual PSA 10 pop is even lower, namely at 5. Apparently one PSA 10 is a mislabeled normal Base Zard with rarity symbol.
Source: www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-wrong-label-register/28388/1

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Plenty was perhaps the wrong word then. There could be other more subtle differences we are missing since most of us here do not read Japanese?

@thymeee, I also think it is strange that PSA grade no rarity cards, but will not acknowledge base 1999-2000.

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I get the feeling that part of the reason why no rarity is treated as second tier on efour is because this is an english forum with predominantly english collectors. I remember everyone was crapping on no rarities here and for a moment, it fell all the way down to $500 for a psa 10 holo.

for those that have actually owned psa 10 no rarities before, especially over the past six months - they’ll observe that they’re incredibly easy to sell, because there’s a growing group of collectors that are trying to put together what is the first ever pokemon tcg set in gem mint condition. In addition, in Japan no rarity is viewed pretty highly so there’s momentum there, and the Japanese are not new to paying incredibly high prices for cards; one paid US$450k for a trophy card in yugioh

Price wise for the zard or the other holos, it frankly is too scarce to say definitively that no rarity is worth less than 1st ed. There are a lot of instances where no rarity psa 10 has surpassed 1st ed, especially in non-holos. you just need two motivated buyers and 1st ed can be eclipsed, with no supply response thereafter.

Which is more museum worthy, a complete psa 10 no rarity base or a complete psa 10 1st ed eng base? I know which one I’d rather view and own…one is still relatively easy to come by and frankly, special but not that special (every year a couple of complete 1st ed base psa 10 comes up for sale). the other, who knows when will one be put together.

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Even if the number is the same, there would still be more than enough difference between the 2 labels.
But this reasoning by PSA has nothing to do with the set, but it has to do with difficult administration. Which I find lazy above all others. With other errors like no damage ninetales and the inverted wb errors there I kind of get why they dont grade them (even though I would grade them). But this is just pure laziness on PSA’s behalf.

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I agree this is pure laziness on their part. I even offered to pay them some extra administrative fee to cover the burden of fixing whatever it is that needs to be fixed. Other points made:

  • you recognize an entire set that is an error yet you won’t recognize two “error” cards within the same set
  • you recognize a set that you will not actually allow to be completed or even fully authenticated!
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I literally went through it all line by line, unless I missed something that’s all the errors. I did for a blog I’m creating, the blog itself isn’t anything special (yet), but you can view the section of a post I did it for here pokeprofessional.com/the-exceptional-guide-to-everything-pokemon-base-set/#error-base

If you look at the post you’ll see where I took the time to write in Japanese text.

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cullers I just went through the link. awesome resource!

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Thanks, the goal is to eventually have enough authority to be a source for PSA so I don’t have to rely on bulbapedia anymore and can instead just write the article explaining to PSA myself what I’m talking about. (I’ve had too many headaches talking trying to get bulbapedia to add simple images that I’m tired of them)

It’ll also be focused on bringing beginners of the hobby to experts. I’ll post things like collector tips and such on there eventually.

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i guess CGC would be a good alternative if you really want them in a slab. when and if PSA decides to give the green light, then just cross-grade them. at least CGC slabs stack with PSA slabs.

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I have added the prices for PSA 10, 9 and 8 just missing 7, 6 and 5. Thanks to those who responded with prices. A PSA 10 copy sold for 30k a couple of years back iirc, please correct me if I’m wrong.

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This is a great resource! Definitely bookmarking it.

But hold the phone a second -

There is no way that the Red Cheeks Pikachu is an “error” at least if I am understanding the term “error” correctly. I understand that the Japanese Base Pikachu only had yellow cheeks but the creation of the Red Cheeks Pikachus that were found in English booster packs was obviously done intentionally.

It feels wrong to classify this card the same way as other errors that were unintentional. I would simply classify the two cards as different variants.

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Most likely intentional is true. I guess in my mind since it’s commonly referred to as an error I put it there. I’ll move it to the other variants section instead.

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100% agreed

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Updated PSA 10 last sold price:

PSA 10 - $20,600

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I think PSA has a strict research rule where they don’t allow any information provided by outside sources I.e. the general public. I sent them an original 1996 poster with both Raichu and Venusaur on full display as direct a source as you could find and still the same no can do response.

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@cullers Nice, those two articles weren’t there yet yesterday. :wink: One Japanese No Rarity misprint you’ve missed is the Gastly. In this picture I show both a no rarity and unlimited Japanese Base Set Gastly:

The difference is the third letter in the second attack. I can’t read Japanese, so not sure what the two attacks translate to, but that was one spelling error in the no rarity version that got fixed in the unlimited edition release.

Am I the only one who thinks it’s both funny and ironic, considering they barely do research and don’t have any Pokémon experts working at PSA?

I mean, I do like PSA in general. The grades are more consistent than most grading companies, and it’s not for nothing they’re the leading grading company in terms of Pokémon cards. But I honestly think PSA in general are just lazy cheapskates tbh… They hire inexperienced graders for scrap; they refuse to do research on any misprint card, even though they graded them in the past causing a split market; and even if all kind of information is presented to them on a silver platter (i.e. ©1999-2000 Base Set; these No Rarity Venusaur and Raichu; most other well-known Base Set misprints like No Damage Ninetales or Ghost Stamp Pikachu; etc.) they ignore it because again - they’re too lazy and incompetent to verify the legitimacy of this presented information, because of a lack of expert in the house.
Although I doubt it would happen, I hope CGC will become successful enough to rival PSA effectively. Not because I don’t want PSA at the top, but because I want them to actually take effort in remaining at the top and improving their processes. It will always remain a company with its sole purpose to make money, but right now they have mostly a monopoly in the Pokémon market, so they don’t care about not grading misprints or having cards in their possession for 4+ months before they’re finally done grading them, because they still make the same money anyway.

PS: Maybe we shouldn’t have this discussion in this thread, though. Sorry @missingno . I can’t add much to the current topic, except some recent sold eBay listings:

Greetz,
Quuador

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@quuador, thanks, but that’s in there. I just didn’t order the errors by variant releases and instead did it by set number. Scroll down and you’ll see Gastly in there.

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Ah woops, looked past it. My bad. :sweat:

Greetz,
Quuador

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It’s fine @Quuador you guys can discuss everything and anything. Thanks for the prices.

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