Take all 3 of those combined and you’ll see that there is no way that card would be classified as a 9 today. Regardless of how perfect the back may or may not be. In that way, I AM buying the card. Not the cert.
Hit the nail on the head. The logic being used by the OP is basically saying a “10” quality card as a PSA 9 in a 2 cert is worse than PSA 9 with an “8” quality card in a 4 cert. I have multiple cards that are 9s in 1-2 certs that look like they have regrade potential for a 10. I have multiple 4 certs that are 9s that look like they could be 8s or lower. All graders use subjective opinion when grading, that is the truth during the 2 cert grades and its true now during the 4 certs. Look at the card itself which actually SHOWS the quality.
Which is exactly what I’m employing. I looked at the 2xxx cert and noticed considerable defects. I looked at the 4xxx cert and noticed very minor defects. It just happens to line up and go with the theory that 2xxxx’s are lesser in quality than 4xxxx.
@zorkzork69 , the one that sold for more has silvering as well. The photos don’t highlight it very well but I see silvering on the left top and bottom. Also the one for $420 you claim has multiple scratches on the holo that I am not seeing?
EDIT: also you claim he is hiding the back, if you look at his other listings he doesn’t include back photos on most of his cards. Even PSA 10 Japanese cards that are probably near flawless.
The problem is that you’re using very poor logic. The reason a card is or isn’t the quality of the appeared grade is not directly correlated with the cert number. There are many 2 certs that will have card quality higher than the grade given, but you put a blanket discount on all 2 certs which is foolishness.
Totally unrelated but I am willing to pay a premium of 50% off market value for any 2xxx cert as well.
Just look at the card and not the cert please, even 4xxx certs can have issues. Instead of offering a premium on 4xxx certs, instead offer the premium on a “strong” 9 copy as people would say.
Bottom right, as well as the defect right in the middle on the bottom of display panel. Those are pretty glaring. Also can’t see the back on it.
I mean, heck, if the other one SOLD for $468, why wasn’t this card valued at $420 picked up already by someone? If I employ the logic of a 9 being a 9 regardless of certs., then it’s a steal.
@ldubbs , you’re probably right about that one. I just put two and two together and am assuming that if I am under that impression, then surely the rest of the true collectors know about it already.
EDIT: Clearly the market is paying more for 4xxx certs. This is a perfect instance of such a phenomenon.
@zorkzork69, sent you a private message. Have a clean 4 series you might be interested in 
If you want to nitpick then the one that sold has a white mark in 3 of the back corners as well, potentially more along the side but the seller decided to use a white background… OMG what is he trying to hide!?
I agree with you. However, if that is the case, then why on earth is the cheaper PSA 9 not sold yet? Surely someone would have seen that sale and jumped all over it by now.
Only two possibilities are:
Either way. I’m right in my valuation or my skepticism.
If I wanted to take the time I could provide other examples of cards that auctioned for more than other copies that were still sitting on eBay.
You claim there are only TWO possible scenarios for this to happen, well you are wrong.
Also its not like this sold for a lot more, if it sold for $620 I guarantee you the $420 copy would be gone.
You bring up some valid points I suppose. Feedback probably did play in a bit. Auction, also a possibility.
I forgot about the higher feedback thing. But 1, I don’t see as a possibility. Especially the way I have seen last second sniping lately. There were only 2 of these cards up for the past week at all. Surely people more experienced than I would have found them.
Listen. The hobby needs people like zork. Plus, it’s good to have different types concentrate on different things. Smart sellers not only plant that bias but they are smart enough to take advantage of its affect,
Another example is I had a fella want to pay a premium for my best base PSA Unl charizard. I honestly picked the best one out of the 40 I had. 700.00+shipping. It was a 2xxxx cert. The next day after he paid he messaged me if I had a 4xxxxx copy. I said I did. He said he would prefer that one instead. Of course I complied…happily lol. The poor guy was paying a premium for a number, not a card.
In all hobby’s it’s takes all types and even though I felt bad for him, he was happy. So, so be it:)
This hurts me to read…but at least you got to keep the better copy!
You say that, but in a digital age where most collectors buy their cards off ebay, more often than not, you can lean on neutral groups like PSA and their determinations to truly understand the value of a card. A few photos usually isn’t enough to truly see a card and understand it’s strengths and weaknesses. When it has been established that PSA has increased their scrutiny on grading Pokemon cards, then its all thrown out of balance and all you can do is rely on their judgements if you don’t have the in person connections the way someone like you does. Imagine you’re not the king collector and people don’t take your word on your product to be gospel.
Do outliers exist? Certainly. Are they the norm? Heck no.
Say as you want, but in the future, for the rest of us, we will inevitably run into people who will pay less for the 2xxxx certs than they will for the 4xxxx’s. For values sake, the average collector is better off with the 4xxx certs.
I’ve seen some really bad 4xxx certs lol. And I’ve seen some really good 2xxx certs. Sometimes just depends on the grader you get.
If you want a strong grade (and don’t blame you there, same here) then just get the buyer to take clear pics front and back and determine yourself. You’ll likely save a lot of money.
I can tell you this - there were eras of 4xxx certs where the grading was very poor lol. Some grades I got back and was mind-blown by how generous they were. So 4xxx certs doesn’t mean a good grade. If anything, I find 4xxx certs very inconsistent. Some are weirdly harsh, others weirdly generous.
But if you wanna offer premiums for 4xxx certs like that, believe me I have no issues with it hahahaha. Just as Gary said.
At the end of the day, ask for clear pictures and just buy the card that looks clean and good to you. There are strong and weak grades in all the ranges of different serials. Lately I have been on a good streak of finding some strong grades with serials starting in 2xxx. I have seen a lot of slop in the 7 to 8 range of 2xxx more consistently than 4xxx, but that doesn’t mean to write any one specific range off. Like I already said, just ask for pictures and buy a strong copy without looking at the serial.
If I need a card to help me towards a goal, and I find a strong copy I’m not gonna say no or low ball because of how long ago it was graded. If the old style label bothers you, you can always get it recased.
FFS