WTB 1st Edition Charizard PSA 10 / PSA 9 / BGS 9.5 / BGS 9

Paying 38K for the PSA 10

Paying $4800 for the PSA 9 for a weak , $5500 for a stronger one

Paying $4200-$5500 for a BGS 9 based on subgrades

Paying $8000-8500 for a weak BGS 9.5

Feel free to show me whatever you got, and what price

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No-one has any BGS 9.5!?

I’ll up my offer, show me what ya got

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Are you interested in a PSA 9(OC) one?

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I’ll take a look.

Shoot me a picture.

DM. I have a very very nice 9 lol

Out of interest what value would you place on a psa 9oc charizard 1st edition :blush:

I value mine at $6,250

You’re still a ways off on the 9.5 grade. It’s probably closer to the 15k-20k price point.

When he said weak, i think he means a base 9.5 (all 9.5 with one subgrade at 9.0). I think the recent PWCC auctions from 6 months or more ago were in that range. I believe they were basically just a bit more than the PSA 9 price.

All BGS 9.5s are weak. If they’re strong they’re going to psa 10s. Auctions suck for BGS cards, I hate using them to determine pricing. Very few people search BGS on a regular bases. I just don’t see someone selling a charizard with a gem mint label on it for that low outside of auction.

It’s a tough sell, but there’s also not a lot of competition.

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Not all are weak. Most but not all. I have 7 and two are easy PSA 10s. Sorry op. I’m not selling any:(

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Fair enough, I just hate the term weak grade… You’re buying a range of a card when you buy any grade. If you want to see the card and judge it fine, it just muddies up the negotiation process to have me look at a graded card and ‘grade’ the grade imo.

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I personally love buying BGS 9.5 1st editions - I have successfully crossed to PSA 10 on more than 1 occasion, and if not… its still a BGS 9.5

But I get the market is still in love with PSA only.

I have bought one BGS 9.5 zard in the last week, if anyone has any, let me know!

I have a few quad BGS 9.5s and I think they hold up pretty well against PSA 10. At least the examples I have come across. Yes, it’s unfortunate the Pokemon world does not value BGS the same - this is supporting the theory that a lot of people do just look at the grade/company and not necessarily the card. In MTG, I believe the PSA 10 and BGS 9.5 quads are somewhat on a parity based on some recent numbers I’ve seen. Not sure if it’s because the MTG crowd is a big older, maybe more aware of the card condition than the actual grade. Well, in the MTG world, the different BGS 9.5 grades are very distinct to collectors. The holy grail is getting a quad 9.5 or better. Those premiums are quite nice. Flip over to Pokemon, the BGS market is just anemic. To me, I prefer the bulkier BGS slabs to protect and showcase my cards. I do hope BGS gets its due soon. But BGS needs to do work too to get its lower grades to be more consistent.

What do you guys think a 9.5/9/9/9 1st edition zard is worth right now? A buy it now price.

I’m willing to buy it, just only have the last auction data point, and i do understand it was a while ago.

I sold my Charizard for around 4.6k about 5 months back. I think if it looks to be a PSA 9 quality, I would think anything near 5k is fair, and anything closer to 4.5k would be a good deal for those subgrades.

Boy do I agree with this. It’s really a rather new phenomenon. My first 20years dealing with PSA I never got such questions. This last 3-5 years it’s been an epidemic. Another thing that’s new is the search for labels of a certain type. I think it hurts you to care about that too.

Big no to this. lol. Even if we only took data from eBay. This statement is incorrect. Bgs 9.5 has breached 15k once. That was for a quad, at what I would consider the peak last year. There have been multiple sales for a regular 1x 9 sub. 9.5 at under 10k. That’s not taking into consideration the few I’ve seen switch hands on platforms such as Instagram. If you’re a collector who has enough knowledge and money to purchase a card for 10k. You’re going to understand that this 9.5 isn’t going to be any stronger than a good 9. You also contradicted yourself by saying all 9.5’s are weak, and if they weren’t. They would be psa 10. Which is true. The majority are PSA 9’s in another companies graded case. So why would these be worth 15-20k? Keep in mind I’ve owned multiple copies of all grades of 1st ed base Charizard’s. (Not including 10) I’m not just a speculator. I’ve been involved in the market of this card.

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a 9.5 with low Sub Grades sold for 6.5K 3 PWCC’s ago.

Worth more because of the chance to cross to a PSA 10 and save $ in the process. People love gambling on stuff like that, and so of course sellers will cash in on that game.

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