The passion here is great, this is why I love UPCCC.
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Me too milhouse.
Pokepop and his kids would have locked the door after one page and probably handed out lifetime bans lol. I guess that’s why his collectors thread gets one post a day;)
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Passion… I have been lurking in these forums now for at least a year and well frankly it’s disgraceful.
All I see is elitest jerks throwing their collections around like some form of phallic extension. Then commenting and arguing in a rather unsavoury and bashful manner on a post that exists as a general discussion now the poor girl is probably feeling upset because of all this crap on her post. Take a look at yourselves, you’re no better than anyone else on these pages so why comment all high and mighty all the time. I think some of you need a serious reality check, sure your the top dog in the forum but at the end of the day that’s all your authority and jurisdiction spans too.If this is the way this so called community is going I shan’t be staying here much longer, all I see is arrogance all over these pages. It’s one thing to actually have the knowledge but if your going to deliver it in such a manner no wonder I’ve noticed people leaving this place.
Even the moderators of this group don’t really follow the rules…
The rules state Respect your fellow members. I see very little respect displayed in this place from arrogant members and moderators.
It’s getting a disgrace, theres little to no respect shown for this original post anymore it’s just become some form of argument. Hardly very dignified at all.
At the end of the day no matter how you look at it, valuable or not the primary purpose of the Pokemon trading card game is for fun. Is it really fun tearing into each other and throwing your weight around on some anon forum arguing the toss over a game. I know myself how costly it can be sinking thousands of dollars into certain treasured cards in my collection but what this place has been dragged down to it’s a shadow of its former self. Why not spend some time actually enjoying what you have and enjoying giving information about, enjoying a REAL community that values everyone’s opinion and thoughts.
Wonder how long before the Schutzstaffel of this forum take this post down because it touches a raw nerve, I noticed in the rules is states. Let the Mod’s Moderate. Do not make accusations or criticisms in regards to discipline. Message a mod if you need clarification. In simple terms they are always right, no negotiations.
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Don’t take it too seriously @pokeguy
This forum has never been overly moderated or patrolled while I have been here.(Just over 1 year), don’t understand where that part of your post is coming from. If the board was governed like it was run by the SS, don’t you think the admin @smpratte would be deleting Gary’s posts because he disagrees with him?
Yeah fine, there may have been some jabs and some heated shots. But I have never seen an argument between people here spill into purely personal attacks.
@espeon1993 has no reason to feel bad about her topic either, only a fool would hold her responsible for anyone elses posts.
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I agree with @milhouse. I think this is part of what makes this community different, phallic extension or not. 
I can assure you that Gary’s laughing while he’s typing his posts above. At the end of the day, we can read all posts and form our own opinion regardless of what other members or admin say.
Having said that, @pokeguy I tip my hat to you for stepping out of the shadows and making a post on what you strongly believe in.
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@pokeguy
You wouldn’t happen to be James Heywood, would you? 
I can see why your best friend Jamie is upset, but that’s because she hasn’t been around long enough. This isn’t about having a couple grand in scattered collectibles or a box or two. This is about tens of thousands. This is about presenting the facts and critiquing logic that has implications for the legitimacy of history and high members of the community.
I’m sorry you don’t like volatility, but real discussion isn’t posh or clean or straightforward. Admins understand that sometimes you have to let people hold the caps lock key a while to produce a full, valid argument on one side or another.
At the end of the day, I’m still going to buy from Gary because he’s a damn trustworthy seller with a great inventory. I’d gladly ask him about certain parts of pokemon history as well, even if he is a conspiracy theorist. 
This is an ugly thread, but if you read it, you’ll get a real idea of the objections and ideas of both views. You’ll find every article produced linked, including a video. You’ve heard the voice of many established, long term members.
There’s a hint of elitism. I get that. But that’s because arguing sometimes demands that you qualify yourself. It’s what keeps people without a place to talk from talking. And you get the best source primacy. I shut up and let Scott talk when he has held the card and I haven’t. That’s the reality. He has more years and first hand experience. I expect the same done for me when I’m the qualified one.
Progress isn’t clean. We don’t want to rehash old info easily found. We don’t want to just chat all the time. There’s a point where you have a real issue and want to break ground.
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Shesh lol! Just to let you all know I’m not upset at all, give me some credit I know I’m female and all that but still! Though I do find it interesting about all these debates etc as it’s mainly “he said, she said.” I can understand how many members do question the existence of cards, ESPECIALLY the Prelease Raichu everyone always argues about. It’s a fact nobody may ever know how many truly exist now, as there are many fakes etc.
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We have a female on staff that does amazing work and that we deeply respect. That will never be a factor in how your opinion is interpreted by any moderator.
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No worries hun, just a few comments of members saying I’m upset. Not at all 
I have a lot more than a couple of grand riding in cards.
As for the previous comments about who I am I can assure you I’m not “James Heywood”. I can guarentee I have no connection in any way to anyone at all here as far as I am aware, this may be false due to a few sales at conventions and events but I’m not aware of the screen names. And I can assure you I have much more than a couple of thousand in collectibles not just pokemon which bought me my first house. As far as pokemon go have been collecting since 1999 when I bought them for my kids (And for me in some cases).
The comment of funmonkey54 seems to back up exactly what I am saying. “This isn’t about having a couple grand in scattered collectibles or a box or two” arrogantly making assumptions that just because I choose to be a little more private I clearly don’t have anything of any real worth. Taking my comment about a grand or two and assuming it’s the value of my entire collection. Private sales of certain value cards and other pokemon related items paid in full for my first house 2-3 years ago and this was via a collector at Comicon san diego, one of which I regret selling due to its drastically increased value. As as far as first hand experience goes I think a real feat speaks for its self.
However just to quell further assumptions this doesn’t in the slightest mean I’m in it for the money. My real collection is something I take immense joy in and adding to however to get volitile to these degrees is ridiculous. As for the elitism even with a large collection and a lot of money doesn’t in any way make a person an authority. At the end of the day the only authority is the primary sources themselves.
Theres a difference between a dignified debate where you make headway and actually talking things over and shouting the loudest to ensure you are heard, which seems to be a trend here, not just on this post.
You made an account just now with an email address that matches the name of a direct family member of James Heywood, who is best friends with someone you just defended in your post.
You are dripping in irony about making assumptions if you think that I associate publicity with significant collecting. Of the top 5 collections I’ve come to know, three belong to private collectors whose names I’ve not once mentioned.
You talk about being elitist but use “selling a collection for a house-value payoff” to justify your right to speak up. Ironic once more.
You say primary sources are all that matters: those were brought up in the back and forth of the thread. Those get argued about and things get hot.
What doesn’t produce a dignified debate is coming out of the shadows, making massive claims to a collection and sales that would have likely made a ripple many here would be familiar with, and then criticizing the forum in a blanket statement.
It’s cool you want to be a voice of reason, but you’re a day late and a dollar short, my friend. I think things simmered down just fine, Milhouse did a great job with filling that role, and we’ll move forward. We always do. I guess you could say that’s a trend here. 
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So once again making assumptions based on co-incidence, that two people can’t share the same name. From the way I see it your really clutching at straws here with that one. Nothing at all to do with the fact that there a few thousand people with the same name go ahead make a search on the Whitepages I’m sure you will find countless people named Terence Clarke all over America, there not all related to a person you know even if patterns arise. And yea I did make my profile 3 hours ago but as I said previous I’ve been lurking watching posts for a year now.
As far as I see it I never defended anyone here I simply mentioned about the person that made this thread not wanting a reaction as such portrayed in previous comments. From the way I read it, was an innocent enough question.
From your above comment “justify your right to speak up” my right to speak up is justified by the 1st amendment my comment was purely there to validate that I know what I’m doing with these cards and have been dealing with them long enough.
Not all high profile sales make ripples, if both the buyer and seller wish to remain anonymous who is going to know a card has sold. Which is probably a very likely case for a lot of these value cards.
Your first amendment rights? In the United Kingdom?
You aren’t from the United States. We can see your IP address. This is a forum, not FaceBook. Your IP address literally places you right in Crewe, where your FaceBook says you live.
You got caught in a lie, man. It happens.
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For the record, I have known Gary probably longer than most people have been collecting pokemon cards. We are both adults and can handle an honest discussion. Most importantly, we respect each other even if we disagree.
We value serious discussion here as we take the hobby very seriously. If it ever got to a point where someone was offended, or perhaps we did not realize it in the moment, we would encourage apologizing and/or reaching out to the person as honest discussion can get serious.
With that said, I don’t need a pseudo parent, and I am sure Gary doesn’t either. Also, what serious pokemon site or serious forum in general is more laid back in moderation? One where the mods encourage discussion and value their members and are not looking for an excuse to give out petty infractions?
I don’t know what your specific point is @pokeguy, but joining a site to complain that the mods are “Schutzstaffel” and that they will remove your posts seems a bit counter-intuitive when they are taking the time to address your points… Especially when we can see your ip address and activity logs and it doesn’t match a word of what you are saying.
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Wow… thanks for the compliment! You gave me much more credit than I have earned.
I would personally like to see the PreRelease Raichu in person and for sale, but honestly believe it is a matter of time and not merely a hoax. Hopefully the louder Gary gets, the more commotion he will stir up!
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@pokeguy, I can see why your initial desire to make a post here prompted to do so in the fact that it seemed many people were throwing their weight around. I’ll be very honest when I felt there was a lot of heat in this topic. Hell, I, myself, and another member hear deleted our own posts at one point. I suspect, though, it was because we both realized we did take things too far and out of mutual respect, deleted them.
If you look back at other threads, you’ll see there have been slightly heated discussion in the past, especially in concerns to cards that are rumored to be fake, claims of owning a rare card, etc. However, in every single one of those discussions, I’ve never seen anyone “leave” the forums for good, nor have I seen any members carry their anger or frustrations to another thread. It all stays in one and the thread/discussion gets carried out and it’s finished or let off.
I have a lot of respect for the members here, but respect for members doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t disagree or even will never get upset by them. I knew I took a personal risk by being a small fry in terms of collecting when I voiced my opinion against the giants of the forum. But I TOOK that risk because I see them all as pretty cool people who I respect. Do I take everything everyone says as truth just because of that? Clearly not, otherwise I wouldn’t have disagreed initially. But I spoke up because I’m a small time collector who, granted feels intimidated at times (but that’s all in my head) about raising my voice in discussions like these, but nevertheless do because I FEEL that I won’t be disrespected just because of my status as a collector.
So yeah. I’d say people here are pretty cool with one another. Even if things do get heated every once in a while. I wanted to calm the flames but forgot that, if the patterns on this forum hold true, they’d be calmed without my interference which may even serve to just flame them further.
Also @thecharizardauthorty, you have definitely earned that credit. XD I honestly didn’t get involved in these forums until I started watching your videos and desired to share my collection with others.
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Pre-ealease Raichu and Pokemon are conspracies by them there evolutionists.
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Monkey, Rusty, Scott, Millhouse, Bags, Jason, the OP here, and many more UPCCCers here are all class acts. I’ve spoken more to them these last several years than I have my wife;)
We share knowledge and a lot of love here. We help and watch out for each other.
Scott, as well as all of us, are allowed to state our opinions, right or wrong…often in a passionate way without being censored. Even casual users, like this pokeguy, can chime in with welcome critique.
This is why UPCCC has grown and Pokegym has shrunk unlike what pokeguy said about us being in decline.
The bottom line is, I’d be proud to call any of our UPCCC members my son or daughter. They are bright and passionate young people with an amazing common interest.
BTW… What in the world is phallic extension…
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Personal note…Rusty…just sent mail. Waiting for big news;)
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