Thoughts on 4th print base?

[bartallen2]

But personally, I’ve steered clear from the booster packs, as just because it may have a holo doesn’t mean it’ll be a 1999-2000 ~

[jifpeanutbutter]

I gotta share an experience I had with 4th print. Last week I bought a large wotc bulk collection from a dude who neatly had it all organized for me, the funny thing is condition ranged from played-nm, I was looking through the lot when I got home and to my surprise started seeing 4th print commons/uncommons and a few 4th print rares mixed in as well. He sold me about 4000 base set cards, and ended up pulling out 70x 4th print cards, what’s weird or cool I guess is that every single one of the 4th print cards was in near-mint condition or better. Makes me wonder more on the story of this collection, the only thing I know is that he purchased it 5+ years ago off of a guy at a flee market. Finding 4th print in the wild was so satisfying, that I think I’m going to try to go for at least the non holo master set for a binder. Overtime more people will find 4th print enjoyable to collect, I’m a new 4th print collector now, so whatever I’m missing I’ll try and acquire over the next year or two. Give 4th print the love

[vyzhr]

I think 4th print is nice, but I believe we have yet to see Shadowless really find it’s spot, it always seems to be stuck between 1st Ed and unlimited, and the varying prices reflect that

[jaredschallenge]

@TCAGaming

@pikachutcg

I’ve been collecting 1999-2000 Base Set for a few years now although i only tend to bid on the listings that are described as regular 1999 base set just for the thrill of the hunt.
What i have noticed this past few months since the boom is a lot fewer listings popping up of 1999-2000 base being mis-labeled as regular unlimited suggesting that it is in fact becoming more well known & collectable as the hobby grows.

1999-2000 base set holo’s definitely go for more money than regular unlimited when listed correctly, i would place it in-between Shadowless & Unlimited in terms of prices right now.

I personally feel the 1999-2000 base holo’s are a great set to collect and from what i have seen are much more rarer than regular unlimited especially in the UK despite it being labelled as a “UK print” a lot of the time. It’s a set that should definitely not be ignored, If you like Base Set i’d see no reason to skip 1999-2000 Base. It’s also fun to learn about all the differences between the cards themselves, Recently i noticed that the Gyarados is missing the black in the holo similar to Shadowless.

Side note on distribution - Whenever i came across a good amount of raw 2000 holos on ebay the seller was based in Poland, yet only find 1 or 2 in peoples old collections in the UK not to mention my own childhood collection which had 0. I believe that most of the 1999-2000 Base Set Holos were distributed in packs in Poland which had the Polish Hasbro sticker on the back. I won’t be opening my heavy pack any time soon though to find out

If you do go to open, know those very well may not be heavy. My 1999-2000 Base packs that are heavy are almost 22grams. Light are 21.3-21.45

I have 5 packs from the same 99 2000 box with the lights at about 20.65 and heavys at about 21.05 (no stickers obv.)

[nickofturl]

@vyzhr

I think 4th print is nice, but I believe we have yet to see Shadowless really find it’s spot, it always seems to be stuck between 1st Ed and unlimited, and the varying prices reflect that

I think otherwise. Shadowless belongs between first edition and unlimited and the prices have been increasing accordingly. Definitely not underrated.

As far as 1999-2000 cards they are really niche. In most cases you can find them for good deals still like you could with shadowless years ago. The awareness of them is growing though.

[azulryu]

As others have said, many don’t know even know about them - they’re also easy to miss. The first time I learned I had a 4th Print card was back when I was just a lurker to the forums and saw someone mention the date.

I think in time, as people look into Pokemon, you’ll find more completionists who are interested in them. Single Pokemon Card collectors who focus on variants also take a great liking to them for that reason. If people are interested in niche aspects like Thick/Thin stamps, they have more of a reason to be interested in 4th Print which shows an easy to find difference. As it is, 4th Print already demands a higher amount than Unlimited, so I imagine prices will rise for them overall.

[bartallen2]

@nickofturl

I think otherwise. Shadowless belongs between first edition and unlimited and the prices have been increasing accordingly. Definitely not underrated.

As far as 1999-2000 cards they are really niche. In most cases you can find them for good deals still like you could with shadowless years ago. The awareness of them is growing though.

You’re right, and the price for them is growing somewhat - the ones labelled “4th print” on auction sites have always seen a variety of bids and quite a few followers.

@azulryu

As others have said, many don’t know even know about them - they’re also easy to miss. The first time I learned I had a 4th Print card was back when I was just a lurker to the forums and saw someone mention the date.

I think in time, as people look into Pokemon, you’ll find more completionists who are interested in them. Single Pokemon Card collectors who focus on variants also take a great liking to them for that reason. If people are interested in niche aspects like Thick/Thin stamps, they have more of a reason to be interested in 4th Print which shows an easy to find difference. As it is, 4th Print already demands a higher amount than Unlimited, so I imagine prices will rise for them overall.

Agreed

But things’ll change immensely once PSA recognises the set ~

[oldboy]

@pikachutcg

@mervjackson

Do you guys think this will eventually become a niche that becomes highly collectible? Is it already to a large extent or has it been keeping in line with the regular 1999 base set in terms of value?

thanks guys!

I’ve been collecting 1999-2000 Base Set for a few years now although i only tend to bid on the listings that are described as regular 1999 base set just for the thrill of the hunt.
What i have noticed this past few months since the boom is a lot fewer listings popping up of 1999-2000 base being mis-labeled as regular unlimited suggesting that it is in fact becoming more well known & collectable as the hobby grows.

1999-2000 base set holo’s definitely go for more money than regular unlimited when listed correctly, i would place it in-between Shadowless & Unlimited in terms of prices right now.

I personally feel the 1999-2000 base holo’s are a great set to collect and from what i have seen are much more rarer than regular unlimited especially in the UK despite it being labelled as a “UK print” a lot of the time. It’s a set that should definitely not be ignored, If you like Base Set i’d see no reason to skip 1999-2000 Base. It’s also fun to learn about all the differences between the cards themselves, Recently i noticed that the Gyarados is missing the black in the holo similar to Shadowless.

Side note on distribution - Whenever i came across a good amount of raw 2000 holos on ebay the seller was based in Poland, yet only find 1 or 2 in peoples old collections in the UK not to mention my own childhood collection which had 0. I believe that most of the 1999-2000 Base Set Holos were distributed in packs in Poland which had the Polish Hasbro sticker on the back. I won’t be opening my heavy pack any time soon though to find out

Wow, never noticed the absence of black in the 1999-2000 card until you said.

[dalewilliamson]

been looking at the pop reports there isn’t many! I know people graded them under regular unlimited before psa recognised 4th print but even then, finding 4th print cards in regular unlimited cases Its like looking for a needle in a haystack! trying to build a binder set currently I am enjoying the difficulty finding them

[b0jan]

Hi everyone! I’m a newer member here and just stumbled upon this discussion. As “the Polish seller” of these cards, I’m grateful for the positive feedback. It’s great to hear that my customers are happy with their purchases.
As for popularity, the 1999-2000 cards are indeed very rare compared to the rest of the market. I found only this summary from PSA: https://www.psacard.com/pop/tcg-cards/1999/pokemon-game/57801
The Base 2000 booster packs themselves are not very popular, and additionally, not every pack with a holo will contain a 1999-2000 holo. Sometimes, WOTC would include ‘old’ holos from C1999

[wisewailmer]

Are they fairly common in Poland? In the usa they’re very scarce. I see the “made in Poland” sticker thing in a lot of the packs so I’d assume so

[b0jan]

Actually, the Pokémon Base Set wasn’t very popular in Poland at all. Due to Polish regulations, only products with Polish labels ‘permanently attached to the packaging’ could be introduced to the market. This law is still in effect in Poland and applies to products from every industry. Therefore, if any Pokémon packs were available in Polish stores, they had to be marked with a Polish label. So, the Pokémon Base Set wasn’t very popular in Poland at all at that time, but if you could find them anywhere, they were only those with a Polish label and distributed by Hasbro. Hasbro had exclusive distribution rights in Poland

[BANKS]

Do we know for a fact that base 1999-2000 is a 4th print of base set and not base set 2 with a no symbol error like jungle no symbol error?

[pfm]

Yes, because 1) they come from base set packs, 2) they have the base set holo pattern

Also, “4th print” is a bit of a misnomer. It comes from the fact that it goes 1st ed → shadowless → unlimited → base 2000. In reality, 1st ed and shadowless are technically part of the same “run” and there were many print runs done for unlimited

[SolemnStar]

I will attempt to start calling it base 2000. It sounds cooler anyhow.