@teraz Wow… thats a little soul crushing for someone trying to get into it now. It’s just gone crazy over the last few years. Seems crazy that I could buy today and increase its value in a few months.
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Best I can tell, it looks like shadowless 8s and 9s are still ticking up according to the analytics on pokemonprice.com. If I had to guess, yeah it’ll likely keep increasing. I looked at the cost of base set shadowless holos in psa 8 and it’s increased 328% from 12/31/2019 to 8/31/2020. July to August saw an increase of 21%. Data isn’t out yet for September but the trend looks like it’s still going up. How much? No one knows but we’ll see. I’d recommend taking a look at the sales prices/data on pokemonprice.com and see if you’re comfortable going in on one now. But the reality is that, for most of us, this is a whole new ball game. Hope it helps 
Edit: Forgot to mention, I looked at the whole set of shadowless holos in psa 8. Charizards tend to be the main driver but not always, definitely cross check with the other holo prices. Cheers!
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Thanks thats actually very helpful information. Kind of makes me sad a year or 2 ago I could have gotten a base set of psa 8 holos for cheap. Now I’ll have to buy a zard asap while I can still afford one. Was hoping to buy a 1st ed venausaur afterwa9rds but that might need to be shadowless as well…
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I noticed some examples on ebay for 15k+. Considering the rarity of both red cheeks and yellow cheeks in this grade what do people feel is the ceiling for these cards? Last time I checked both examples had 42(?) In psa 10 and given how the yellow cheeks was distributed (in unsealed magazines delivered through post office) how close will they eventually come with one another? There is not an infinite supply of either card. This is after all the first English promo card and psa does have it listed along with their 1st ed, shadowless, unlimited in the population report.
Any thoughts?
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@btoise Welcome to the forum. Questions like that must be posted in this thread. In general, be sure to read the rules and any pinned posts in the appropriate section before creating a thread.
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This is my first attempt at writing a serious market discussion thread here, so bear with me.
Over the last few weeks, we’ve seen a bunch of mainstream celebrities jump on the Pokémon collecting/investing bandwagon. Gary Vee, Logan Paul, Steve Aoki, most recently Logic, and probably several I’m forgetting to name have publicly demonstrated interest in vintage Pokémon cards. Whether or not you think these people are good role models, either for general behavior (Logan Paul) or investment advice (Gary Vee), isn’t relevant. This trend will almost certainly have a long-term impact on (1) the price and availability of certain cards; (2) the perceived viability of Pokémon cards as a legitimate investment vehicle; and (3) overall interest in the hobby.
From what I’ve seen, these big-name players have thus far limited their public purchases, box openings, and Instagram flexing to Base Set, and primarily 1st Edition Base Set at that (though Logic just cracked an unlimited Base box). Logan Paul showed a few PSA Fossil holos too, IIRC. Regardless, it’s clear that this explosion of celebrity interest/investment is centered around the early WOTC sets.
Here’s the question I’m posing for discussion here: Is this going to have a tangible impact on interest in cards beyond Base and, to a lesser degree, Jungle and Fossil? Why or why not?
Although 1st Ed. Base is obviously the pinnacle of set collecting, we know here that it represents the tip of the iceberg (or maybe, like, the top half of the iceberg) in terms of high-end cards. What are the odds we see a mainstream celebrity go after an Illustrator, or a Trophy Kangaskhan, or a University Karp? What are the odds people see Gary Vee or Logan Paul’s content and want to get in on the action but, unable or unwilling to buy high-grade WOTC holos, start showing interest in the E-era or the EX-era? How important is the specific nostalgia factor of Base/Jungle/Fossil in this phenomenon?
I know this is just a conjecture thread, but I figure it could generate some interesting discussion. Lemme know your thoughts.
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@politoed666 Y’all know the drill, post has been moved, plz put market speculation here, read pinned posts, etc etc
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Is there still a site/tool to look up a best offer accepted sales price for an eBay listing?
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My bad. I did read all the stickied rules, but I figured this fell under the “nuanced thread” exception. Guess not. I’ll be more careful in the future.
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No worries! If you’re unsure about where to post a thread you can always PM a mod.
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I can see an extension of interest into Jungle & Fossil if the goal for new buyers becomes collecting the original 151 first generation and not just base.
In terms of views, Base set is a much more fun set to open live. Everyone recognizes the cards and each holo is fun to pull even if it’s not Charizard.
Jungle and Fossil are not great to open live. The sets are so small that you start seeing the same cards in every pack and it’s hard to maintain excitement throughout 36 packs of which the holo has the same art as the rare so you can’t fake any happiness pulling a rare.
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If I was advising Logan on doing a Jungle/Fossil opening, I would tell him to open 1 Jungle box and 1 Fossil box, create 2 separate piles of 36 packs, set aside one pile for sale off camera and open up the other 36 on camera just like he did with the Base box.
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Most exciting opening - box made up of 12 packs jungle, fossil, rocket each, all heavy packs with extras in the back in case someone doesn’t pull a holo.
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It makes sense new collectors begin with Base, Jungle, Fossil, as its the literal beginning of the tcg. After I returned to Pokemon and bought southern Island, getting Base, Jungle, Fossil was a top priority. I went through all the set goals and then graduated to japanese promos and trophies. I think that is the natural progression.
There are a lot of sub sections in collecting. Even within vintage, some people only do Base, Jungle, Fossil, some only do up to neo destiny, some only do wotc. I think their entry point is par for the course. These guys are brand new, so only time will tell how deep they chose to go.
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No symbol set ending tonight looking to be a good one
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Is anyone waiting on their big purchases until after the pandemic levels off to see if prices come back down a bit? Is that what caused this rise in prices in the first place like the success other I distries have seen?
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Thank you!
Was curious on shadowless psa 8 zard. Looks like sold for 5k 
Have one at PSA hoping for 8/9. Wow!
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I wouldn’t hold your breath man. No one can say for sure and the pandemic definitely is not the sole cause of the boom. Factor in the Logan Paul craze that literally just started this month, I would not bet on any sort of dip for a long time.
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