The Giant English Market Thread

[Troy]

@politoed666

Wasn’t sure whether to throw this here or in the grading thread, but we’ll just go with this.

Y’all already probably know this, but it’s a recent discovery for me: the 9 and 10 populations of DPPt-era holos are incredibly low. Like, single digit pops in 10s for many of them. To me, Gen IV was the end of the golden era of Pokémon: Diamond & Pearl were great games, the Pokémon were well-designed and still iconic, the competitive TCG was at its height, the cards still had cosmos foil and not the heinous line shit they introduced in BW, the chase cards (Lv.Xs, Primes, Legends) were unique and well-designed, etc. etc.

I know a lot of other people feel the same way. There’s a pretty large community on Instagram of DPPt-focused collectors, and the popularity of Lv.Xs has steadily been creeping up to the point where certain ones compete with exs in desirability. In a similar vein, Gen IV sealed product has become very scarce; sealed booster boxes are in the mid-thousands for many sets, and loose packs are around $100 a pop. Unless somebody is hoarding a fuck ton of it, there isn’t a whole lot out there… I’d be surprised if there are appreciably more MT/SW/GE/MD boxes in circulation than the later RSE sets. And given that the sets are over a decade old now, it seems unlikely that people are sitting on many mint raws.

There isn’t really an upshot here other than the fact that based on my stupid, probably dull analysis, those low pops are probably going to stay low. Lv.Xs are increasingly optimized, but the regular holos from the DPPt-era sets are one of very few categories of card that I think are still under-appreciated. It’ll be interesting to see what happens there.

Ya and I would say that the majority of people back then were either kids (don’t know how to preserve cards) or players (played with and damaged cards) so I wouldn’t be surprised if the pops on these stay extremely low. Basically it feels like it was the least hoarded/collected era.

[politoed666]

@Troy

Ya and I would say that the majority of people back then were either kids (don’t know how to preserve cards) or players (played with and damaged cards) so I wouldn’t be surprised if the pops on these stay extremely low. Basically it feels like it was the least hoarded/collected era.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I think the playability factor is something that people under-account for when thinking about the amount of mint copies of a card in circulation. While competitive players obviously account for a very tiny fraction of Pokémon sales, I would wager they account for a pretty hefty portion of people who understand the importance of taking care of their cards. LOTS of LvXs and holos in the DPPt era were heavily played at one point or another, which means there probably aren’t a whole lot of mint copies out there.

[pfm]

@politoed666

Wasn’t sure whether to throw this here or in the grading thread, but we’ll just go with this.

Y’all already probably know this, but it’s a recent discovery for me: the 9 and 10 populations of DPPt-era holos are incredibly low. Like, single digit pops in 10s for many of them. To me, Gen IV was the end of the golden era of Pokémon: Diamond & Pearl were great games, the Pokémon were well-designed and still iconic, the competitive TCG was at its height, the cards still had cosmos foil and not the heinous line shit they introduced in BW, the chase cards (Lv.Xs, Primes, Legends) were unique and well-designed, etc. etc.

I know a lot of other people feel the same way. There’s a pretty large community on Instagram of DPPt-focused collectors, and the popularity of Lv.Xs has steadily been creeping up to the point where certain ones compete with exs in desirability. In a similar vein, Gen IV sealed product has become very scarce; sealed booster boxes are in the mid-thousands for many sets, and loose packs are around $100 a pop. Unless somebody is hoarding a fuck ton of it, there isn’t a whole lot out there… I’d be surprised if there are appreciably more MT/SW/GE/MD boxes in circulation than the later RSE sets. And given that the sets are over a decade old now, it seems unlikely that people are sitting on many mint raws.

There isn’t really an upshot here other than the fact that based on my stupid, probably dull analysis, those low pops are probably going to stay low. Lv.Xs are increasingly optimized, but the regular holos from the DPPt-era sets are one of very few categories of card that I think are still under-appreciated. It’ll be interesting to see what happens there.

It’s the popularity report not the population report and it lags behind by more than a year now. If you think the majority of the mint supply is currently graded I think you’re in for an extremely rude awakening

[admiral]

The only LvX I want is Gengar, looks awesome.

Hopefully more get graded so I can get a nice copy

[jables]

@parkermrparker

Anyone else wondering about the special delivery charizard?

Instagram is saying that it will be in the Pokemon Center Exclusive ETBs? Not sure if that will be the case tho.

[politoed666]

@pfm

It’s the popularity report not the population report and it lags behind by more than a year now. If you think the majority of the mint supply is currently graded I think you’re in for an extremely rude awakening

I don’t think it’ll be much of a “rude awakening” because it doesn’t affect me one way or the other… I’m not hedging my life savings on random PSA 10 DP-era holos exploding in value or anything lol. Don’t own a single one and very well may never; just spitballing.

For the sake of discussion, though, what’s your rationale in saying that you think there’s a hefty amount of raw mint DPPt stuff out there? It seems like over the last year, people have graded pretty much everything they can; only an idiot would grade, like, XY-era EXs over DPPt-era holos, and I see plenty of people doing that. From my perspective, if people were sitting on these, they would have sent them in over the past year, unless they have a completely warped understanding of the market and somehow think 9s and 10s of shitty new VMAXs and rainbow rares will hold value better than Gen IV stuff. 9s and 10s of DPPt-era holos are an easy sell and worth WAY more than the raw copies… if somebody were holding them, what incentive would there be not to send them in? It’s certainly worth it!

Do you think there’s an appreciable amount of raw mint/gem mint ex-era holos out there, as well, despite a difference of only a couple years?

I have no financial stake in this at all and it’s not a hill I plan to die on. Just think people are underestimating Gen IV stuff, mint holos in particular. Who knows, I could be totally off base.

[latiosking]

This may have been discussed before, but I find it kind of sad that STAFF Prerelease cards are no longer being made. From what I heard, they were canceled probably due to card store owners selling them at high prices on the open market. Their cancellation increases the investment potential of existing STAFF cards, and even without their cancellation, I think that these cards are underrated due to their rarity. Also, I do not have a large stake in these cards, and I am just sharing my opinion. Will STAFF Prerelease cards ever come back?

[smpratte]

Pretty sure they suspended the staff/prerelease cards because of covid.

[koala]

@latiosking

This may have been discussed before, but I find it kind of sad that STAFF Prerelease cards are no longer being made. From what I heard, they were canceled probably due to card store owners selling them at high prices on the open market. Their cancellation increases the investment potential of existing STAFF cards, and even without their cancellation, I think that these cards are underrated due to their rarity. Also, I do not have a large stake in these cards, and I am just sharing my opinion. Will STAFF Prerelease cards ever come back?

www.pokebeach.com/2021/06/chilling-reign-staff-promo-surfaces-all-the-info

One apparently exists for Chilling Reign

[slippingjimmy]

@pfm

@politoed666

Wasn’t sure whether to throw this here or in the grading thread, but we’ll just go with this.

Y’all already probably know this, but it’s a recent discovery for me: the 9 and 10 populations of DPPt-era holos are incredibly low. Like, single digit pops in 10s for many of them. To me, Gen IV was the end of the golden era of Pokémon: Diamond & Pearl were great games, the Pokémon were well-designed and still iconic, the competitive TCG was at its height, the cards still had cosmos foil and not the heinous line shit they introduced in BW, the chase cards (Lv.Xs, Primes, Legends) were unique and well-designed, etc. etc.

I know a lot of other people feel the same way. There’s a pretty large community on Instagram of DPPt-focused collectors, and the popularity of Lv.Xs has steadily been creeping up to the point where certain ones compete with exs in desirability. In a similar vein, Gen IV sealed product has become very scarce; sealed booster boxes are in the mid-thousands for many sets, and loose packs are around $100 a pop. Unless somebody is hoarding a fuck ton of it, there isn’t a whole lot out there… I’d be surprised if there are appreciably more MT/SW/GE/MD boxes in circulation than the later RSE sets. And given that the sets are over a decade old now, it seems unlikely that people are sitting on many mint raws.

There isn’t really an upshot here other than the fact that based on my stupid, probably dull analysis, those low pops are probably going to stay low. Lv.Xs are increasingly optimized, but the regular holos from the DPPt-era sets are one of very few categories of card that I think are still under-appreciated. It’ll be interesting to see what happens there.

It’s the popularity report not the population report and it lags behind by more than a year now. If you think the majority of the mint supply is currently graded I think you’re in for an extremely rude awakening

This right here. Same goes for hgss era. I could still buy packs in stores in 2018 or so. Especially when you look at the print numbers they published there were still billions of set cards printed at the lowest point of the tcg. Pop reports for these should definitely been taken with a grain of salt. Me and my gf bought some platin/hgss cards in 2010 just for fun and nostalgia and they’re still sitting absolutely mint in my binders. We weren’t 10 years old then anymore.

edit. I’m not saying they’re not underappreciated right now, though.

[lamplamp]

Not really sure if this is the right thread for this, but I got a pretty amusing email today from Collectors Cache. For only $29.97 I can become a Pokemon millionaire just like Logan Paul! Lmao

Link

[fourthstartcg]

@lamplamp

Not really sure if this is the right thread for this, but I got a pretty amusing email today from Collectors Cache. For only $29.97 I can become a Pokemon millionaire just like Logan Paul! Lmao

Link

I got stage 5 cancer from reading this

[lamplamp]

@fourthstartcg

@lamplamp

Not really sure if this is the right thread for this, but I got a pretty amusing email today from Collectors Cache. For only $29.97 I can become a Pokemon millionaire just like Logan Paul! Lmao

Link

I got stage 5 cancer from reading this

I debating writing out exactly everything that was wrong with this but my fingers got tired so I stopped

[c0ll3ct0r]

@lamplamp

Not really sure if this is the right thread for this, but I got a pretty amusing email today from Collectors Cache. For only $29.97 I can become a Pokemon millionaire just like Logan Paul! Lmao

Link

Lol, the hustle never ends.

[greenshoots]

@lamplamp

Not really sure if this is the right thread for this, but I got a pretty amusing email today from Collectors Cache. For only $29.97 I can become a Pokemon millionaire just like Logan Paul! Lmao

Link

This is the sell signal

[fresco]

@lamplamp

Not really sure if this is the right thread for this, but I got a pretty amusing email today from Collectors Cache. For only $29.97 I can become a Pokemon millionaire just like Logan Paul! Lmao

Link

Huge yikes, reading all the description from that site seems like those fishy gold sellers. Sell signal indeed.

[smpratte]

@fresco

@lamplamp

Not really sure if this is the right thread for this, but I got a pretty amusing email today from Collectors Cache. For only $29.97 I can become a Pokemon millionaire just like Logan Paul! Lmao

Link

Huge yikes, reading all the description from that site seems like those fishy gold sellers. Sell signal indeed.

You are more correct than you know! He actually owns those Cash for Gold stores:

How to sell your gold

[pichufan]

@lamplamp

Not really sure if this is the right thread for this, but I got a pretty amusing email today from Collectors Cache. For only $29.97 I can become a Pokemon millionaire just like Logan Paul! Lmao

Link

I got the email as well and I don’t think I’ve ever bought anything from them which is curious.

Ok Boomer Beamer.

[nish]

@lamplamp

Not really sure if this is the right thread for this, but I got a pretty amusing email today from Collectors Cache. For only $29.97 I can become a Pokemon millionaire just like Logan Paul! Lmao

Link

jesus christ

[zorloth]

I thought it was a parody at first lol…can’t believe that site is serious