Should modern print lines be docked in grading?
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Have you guys seen how these have huge print lines on the front ? especially the cgc 10 pristine…
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What an eye sore with the print line placement
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Wow, that’s crazy
The first thing I look for in a SAR is absence of print lines
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another prime example of why cgc is terrible + buy the card not the grade
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Has nothing to do with CGC, “print lines” in modern are not considered damage by any grading company. If they are so common and repeatable, it’s because TPC printed them this way intentionally and the few cards without any print lines are a lucky byproduct of that
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I wouldn’t say intentional since having black lines across the art is certainly not the intention.
However, they must certainly be aware and for whatever reason believe that it’s not worth fixing given that I’ve seen cards as far back as BW holos have printlines.
Thing is, with CHR, AR and VSTAR Universe SAR cards, there were little to no printlines suggesting that it is possible dependent on material.
I’ll never understand people who fixate on the company, grade, back, even edges when there are ugly black lines staring at you on the art you’re suppose to be appreciating.
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What I meant is TPC upheld a standard when printing textured full arts and the consistency of lines existing all throughout XY/SM/SWSH/SV is acceptable to them, not because they wanted to print lines. Since it’s not damage, it’s not an issue. The intent is there, and will likely continue into MEGA era
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Yeah agreed.
I still find it ridiculous though. Imagine if you bought a birthday card with random black lines on it. It wouldn’t be acceptable.
So it’s hard to see how people including grading companies choose to overlook it when the amounts being exchanged are like 5,000x the cost of a birthday card lol. (On the part of TPC, it’s whatever a booster pack costs, so presumably why they DGAF even though it looks bad.)
Tbh it’s probably better to leave it as is. Should grading standards change where print lines automatically dock the grade, modern tcg will be inconceivably more difficult to grade than vintage. And that can’t be good for collecting lol
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It would save me the time from having to recheck every JP graded card haha
I don’t even care about graded cards to begin with but for something like Yokohama Worlds’ Pikachu, it just seems easier to buy one but not a single one I’ve come across without printlines. All PSA 10 though lol.
By your logic you can say the same thing about centering, corners with whitening, and other condition flaws coming from tpc printing. A card with a blatant print line shouldnt be considered a pristine 10, just like how a slightly off center card is not a 10 candidate. It is a cgc thing because it looks poorly that a grading company grades a card with massive black line across the face of the card a “perfect” 10 card
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it’s not logic, koala is just stating the standard practices of grading companies. PSA doesn’t consider print lines as damage either in their grading.
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PSA does the same though.
IDK how many Yokohama Pikachu 10s (all of them) I’ve gone through with black lines on PSA 10s.
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Thats fair, maybe its my own opinion then that a cgc 10 perfect means no flaws and big ol black print line is clearly a flaw to me. So i still stand with cgc being terrible as Cgc 10 perfect is cgc’s “black label”. Psa doesnt have that variant so id expect them to allow those in a 10. I wouldnt expect a bgs black label to have print lines, and if they allow that then i would say the same as cgc
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well if we are going off that grading companies grade based on “damage”, i wouldnt consider centering damage, which makes up a large portion of the grading scale. Its a direct result of poor printing by tpc, just like print lines.
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For logic it’s less about grading standards and more about the business model. Modern 10s have brought a lot of money to both the submitter (graded premium) and PSA/CGC (upcharges), factoring in the extreme prevalence of a repeatable set of lines will deny nearly all of that. English 10s are far less common owing to TPCi’s poor printing quality, it will be non-existent if lines are docked
On a psychological level, it doesn’t make sense for the grader either. Cards today have a much higher print quality than cards decades ago, and yet if those lines were counted they would get as low or lower PSA 10 rate than vintage. How does that reflect grading standards as a whole?
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English actually doesn’t have that many printlines. Certainly I didn’t see any from SWSH until Lost Origin. Silver Tempest is where it went downhill and since I stopped buying ENG in SV Y1, I don’t know how many sets more it persisted for.
I’m all for some or any entity highlighting the oppressive printlines though lol. I honestly have no idea why it has been accepted for so long by consumers.
The idea of “gem” mint is that the card is an exceptional example of a copy. To me a printline should be disqualifing. Even more so for a pristine
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I think there can be some level of discretion. If it’s going across a major or focal point of the card, then dock it to a PSA 9. If it’s in an area that is not as noticeable, keep the PSA 10 if desired.