Psa grading- penny sleeves or ultra pro for mint wotcs?

[electrodude]

I use Penny sleeves because they are cheap and allow easy removal of a card.

[amcgl58]

Penny sleeves and it’s not even close, there is a much higher risk of damaging the card on removal with ultra pros or any deck sleeve. Ultra pros/deck sleeves usually require you to touch the card to remove, with penny sleeves that never happens.

[dblast]

@fourthstartcg

What is the point of this thread if you already believe ultra pro sleeves are better?

To share knowledge and learn more with the community. As a moderator, you should be happy to see threads that push grading forward and discuss various techniques people use.

I’m open to the idea that penny sleeves work, but to claim they are better protection is almost as weird as your response in this thread. Let’s not run out of constructive comments and question OP when the thread is warranted.

Some people use to ask in forums if penny sleeves were acceptable for psa grading in 2017. We now all know it is. But what about the ultra pro sleeves? I use both so I’m wondering from bulk/high end graders. Leaning towards the ultra pros sleeves are better protection.

[dblast]

@amcgl58

Penny sleeves and it’s not even close, there is a much higher risk of damaging the card on removal with ultra pros or any deck sleeve. Ultra pros/deck sleeves usually require you to touch the card to remove, with penny sleeves that never happens.

You can push the card from underneath to get it up and removed without damaging your card and if you take your time, will not damage card putting the card in. (eye hand coordination) I expect that graders are not shaky rough hands, they would be out of a job if that were the case.

I’m not talking about skin tight penny sleeves wrapped in another sturdier sleeve, which some collectors do to protect against natural dust that accumulates.

It’s risky that if a small particle (dust/dirt) got into the card saver, it can cause small indentures in holo from compacting against the cards, and that’s risky for cards worth thousands in their near mint condition. Take the chance for some $20 cards, but if it’s a mint 1st edition neo(delicate as well), I prefer the more protection. Add pulling tabs to ease the grader’s human mistakes

[madden12ut]

@dblast

@fourthstartcg

What is the point of this thread if you already believe ultra pro sleeves are better?

To share knowledge and learn more with the community. As a moderator, you should be happy to see threads that push grading forward and discuss various techniques people use.

I’m open to the idea that penny sleeves work, but to claim they are better protection is almost as weird as your response in this thread. Let’s not run out of constructive comments and question OP when the thread is warranted.

Some people use to ask in forums if penny sleeves were acceptable for psa grading in 2017. We now all know it is. But what about the ultra pro sleeves? I use both so I’m wondering from bulk/high end graders. Leaning towards the ultra pros sleeves are better protection.

Pretty much everyone in this thread has advised the use of penny sleeves for grading as it is the most cost effective/safe sleeve, and a lot of the people giving advice are bulk/high end graders

there’s not much more to say about this topic

[dblast]

@muk

@fourthstartcg

What is the point of this thread if you already believe ultra pro sleeves are better?

Three out of the four threads this guy started today are only about him wanting confirmation for his opinion. There is no point to any of these.

You have trolled several of my threads without any substance aside from negativity. As a person who doesn’t post often, you are not being very nice. Just saying! It would be fantastic if you could be more positive. Is that the E-4 way?

[kpod]

@dblast

@muk

Three out of the four threads this guy started today are only about him wanting confirmation for his opinion. There is no point to any of these.

You have trolled several of my threads without any substance aside from negativity. As a person who doesn’t post often, you are not being very nice. Just saying! It would be fantastic if you could be more positive. Is that the E-4 way?

The efour way is not to spam creating multiple pointless, opinion threads in a day

[dblast]

@kpod

@dblast

You have trolled several of my threads without any substance aside from negativity. As a person who doesn’t post often, you are not being very nice. Just saying! It would be fantastic if you could be more positive. Is that the E-4 way?

The efour way is not to spam creating multiple pointless, opinion threads in a day

I’m new here. You’re welcome

[bdog07]

$.01 sleeves

[KingPokemon]

@dblast

@prochaos

Penny sleeves have always been the standard for submissions. They make removing a card effortless but still protect the card, a rigid sleeve would only delay a grader and could create damage when doing so.

You would think the grader is capable of delicate hands for various plastic sleeve encounters. They should be so pro as they do it as a job, they can get the tight fit ones off without damage, let alone standard thick ultra pro sleeves.
So you grade your $1000+ cards with penny sleeves?

You would think wrong. Either use no sleeve and a 2 edge cut card saver
Or
A penny sleeve in a normal card saver 1

[dblast]

@garyis2000, Solid Gary. They gonna learn real soon about the ultra pros or they will be jobless in Cali.

[KingPokemon]

[dblast]

@garyis2000, that is pretty professional, thought you meant clipping edges of penny sleeves, lol. I also use the Cardboard Gold Card Saver I’s over the Ultra pro semi rigids for submissions. Gary always providing good substance and example.

I notice you are using penny sleeves and they are the standard. With that set up, works pretty well if you can keep dust/hair out (ofc, I’m sure you do). Would you not trust deck protector style plastic sleeves…?

When I was referring to the plastic sleeve choice for this thread, I meant the inner sleeve choice, I use both penny sleeves and those sturdier ones (like clear ultra pro deck protectors for wotc 1st set.

I stopped transferring them to penny sleeves from binder to grade, They should be able to handle it over there.

I was worried grader getting into the rigid sleeve and the penny sleeve is not enough to protect cards like the 1st Ed. St. Lt Fearow from Neo. A nail or even fingertip surface can leave a mark. XY looking delicate as well. I imagine base 1st is similar.

For your 1st ed. wotc holos, you would still prefer penny sleeves over tougher inner sleeves?

[jkanly]

Deck protectors risk damage during a submission… penny sleeves are also called soft sleeves. they’re soft and so will bend well before damaging the card’s edge or border.

[KingPokemon]

@dblast

@garyis2000, that is pretty professional, thought you meant clipping edges of penny sleeves, lol. I also use the Cardboard Gold Card Saver I’s over the Ultra pro semi rigids for submissions. Gary always providing good substance and example.

I notice you are using penny sleeves and they are the standard. With that set up, works pretty well if you can keep dust/hair out (ofc, I’m sure you do). Would you not trust deck protector style plastic sleeves…?

When I was referring to the plastic sleeve choice for this thread, I meant the inner sleeve choice, I use both penny sleeves and those sturdier ones (like clear ultra pro deck protectors for wotc 1st set.

I stopped transferring them to penny sleeves from binder to grade, They should be able to handle it over there.

I was worried grader getting into the rigid sleeve and the penny sleeve is not enough to protect cards like the 1st Ed. St. Lt Fearow from Neo. A nail or even fingertip surface can leave a mark. XY looking delicate as well. I imagine base 1st is similar.

For your 1st ed. wotc holos, you would still prefer penny sleeves over tougher inner sleeves?

Yes. I use soft sleeves and card saver 1s only…for home storage and grading. Though I snip an end off for grading so PSA employees can easily work with them. For those wondering, you can even frisbee the cardsaver and the card will stay inside,

[dblast]

@jkanly

Deck protectors risk damage during a submission… penny sleeves are also called soft sleeves. they’re soft and so will bend well before damaging the card’s edge or border.

I argue the ultra pro sleeves are still better for holos compared to penny sleeves. You think the pokemon themed sleeves damages card’s corner or edges?

The Ultra Pro Deck protectors (same manufacture of the pokemon themed plastic sleeves from elite trainer boxes) are meant for pokemon cards. Some worry the graders are flabbergasted once they encounter a non-penny sleeve. I’m sure lots of folks have submitted pokemon sleeves for their holos in their card saver I for the extra protection. PSA grader that is unfamiliar with various card sleeves should not be grading.

They are both soft sleeves, but the ultra pro versions offer more protection, is why many use in their binders/3rings/toploaders. Should be proper to use it for PSA submissions.

I believe many use penny sleeves but for $5 more per 100 submissions or essentially .06 cent deck loader plastic, it would be worthwhile to use the sturdier ultra pro sleeves for holos (non japanese holos can use penny sleeves), especially for wotc 1st ed worth thousands potentially.

Many spoke from their experience of submissions, but it doesn’t mean penny sleeves are superior inner sleeves or prove that the graders are damaging cards from different penny sleeves/it provide you difficulty working with them (are you seriously penny sleeving your binder copies as well?) .

It’s fun to question the grader’s capability, but being familiar and working with trading card/deck protectors should be a prerequisite.

[risingtrout]

I just use penny sleeves in my binders. A good binder should offer the protection you need over and above that.

[pfm]

Anything that deviates from the standard grading pipeline introduces risk. If you take cards out of penny sleeves all day you become an expert. If someone decides to give you a card in a deck sleeve, the familiarity is no longer there. You’re trying to optimize such a low-risk thing and ironically are actually adding additional risk.

[ccrntrade]

Didn’t realize this was even up for debate, penny sleeves and card savers. For raw cards in your collection that is up to you.

[dblast]

@pfm

Anything that deviates from the standard grading pipeline introduces risk. If you take cards out of penny sleeves all day you become an expert. If someone decides to give you a card in a deck sleeve, the familiarity is no longer there. You’re trying to optimize such a low-risk thing and ironically are actually adding additional risk.

At one time, not too long ago (2017), penny sleeves were considered deviating from the standard card saver I’s.

Anyone that works near trading cards is familiar with a deck sleeve. Its laughable the consideration of trading card graders… You only need to work with 5-10 deck/pokemon themed to become familiar with it. You think millions of pokemon cards going through graders and they are still incapable of removing card from a plastic sleeve…

Yes if you triple package your card with super tight sleeves and into deck protectors, you are adding additional steps. There is no additional step by interchanging a sturdier soft sleeve, it provides better resistance to scratches.

You push the card out of the sleeve, grade it. If these are overworked slave labors and they don’t really care, your cards are not in the best hands for grading anyway.