These two are just straight up forgeries across the board. Bad auto and bad sketch.
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RIP to my boy Jolteon
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Couldn’t have come at the worst time when I’m trying to move two autograph cards.
Shouldn’t be a concern if yours are legitimate.
I know mine are, it’s more about the general lack of trust from the people who would normally buy them
The hobby is so big these days I wouldn’t worry about it. Only the few hyperfixated people like us are paying attention close enough
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Another submission full of blatant forgeries. At this point, I don’t even know what to do or say anymore. It’s extremely disappointing to say the least. Starting to kill my joy for autographs.
(Also should mention, I’ve reached out to multiple people at PSA/DNA.m, multiple times, but nothing seems to happen.)
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where are they getting the original ones to copy? coz i dont think someone can just draw these willy nilly
Plenty of legit examples people have sold or uploaded to IG they can copy off of.
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Two things need to happen here:
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The artist should not be drawing the exact same art twice. They’re skilled enough that they can freestyle and draw a various number of different poses etc of each pokemon.
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The buyers should be checking if the card they’re about to buy has the same exact drawing on it elsewhere.
I don’t think the artists are at fault here. This is a PSA issue.
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It’s not their “fault” in a fair and good world, but the reality is that bad actors will trace their art if it’s the exact same drawing every time. PSA would need to require video proof of the card being signed but that’s not going to happen.
I think PSA should just jack up the price 10x or more to get a card auto authenticated and use those funds to hire the best professional they can get. Decreasing the margins on the cards itself and catching those who submit fakes seems like the best way overall. Increasing the price works towards both those goals.
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I was thinking of submitting some of the autographs I’ve gotten at regionals to PSA, but not feeling good about that now. Don’t want a cert number that could be associated with all this mess
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I wouldn’t be too concerned about that.
The thing is, all the concerning forgeries, are coming out of one country…. 
and are all being auctioned off to hide identities.
People who actually attended event, in the US, have actual provenance, etc, shouldn’t be too concerned about their own cards.
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Agreed that provenance is king here. On the offchance I need to let go of any of my autos, I keep the following:
- Train tickets
- event tickets
- event photographs
- Google maps timelines
- hotel booking information
- photograph of the card at the venue
Not so difficult to keep for those who legitimately acquired them. At the same time, with multiple pieces of provenance, they tend to be cohesive in terms of date, time, weather, booking name, event setting etc.
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Some artists don’t tend to sketch but may make exceptions for their favorite fans (I have a friend who gets this special treatment often), so I would personally look at the personalization to see if it’s to someone who usually gets sketches out of a favor. Obviously this information is very niche but at least these people are few in number.
Having said that, Shibuzoh doesn’t tend to sketch. I’ll ask her about it next time I see her.
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Respectfully, this is a logistic nightmare. I and a few others worked as staff for this event, and having to remember who got what Pokémon drawing only creates more issues for the event. You can’t punish the artist for wanting to draw what he/she wants. This ruins the experience.
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I’m not sure what you mean by having to remember who got what? Maybe there was a misunderstanding? I assume the person requesting the signature says “I want charizard” or chooses from the list provided based on the photos. I’m just saying that artists could draw a slightly different charizard for every charizard they draw so they’re not drawing the exact same one each time (if that’s what they do even, I’m just going off of what was posted here, I’ve never gotten a card signed).
As an artist, I can’t imagine drawing the exact same down to the line drawing on each card, especially with 5-10 different pokemon to choose from. I’d end up just making up poses each time, that would be a lot easier than remembering all these poses, plus the added benefit of deterring forgeries. It would at least be a thing that artists could do to help prevent forgeries, like locking your door doesn’t prevent theft but it helps a lot.
Like I said, at the end of the day PSA would need to require film proof of the signature or something of the sort to truly solve this problem, but until that miracle day happens artists and buyers can both do something to help the issue.