This seller listed a “Sugimori” signed card and a bunch of “Arita” signed cards graded by PSA. The Sugimori looks extremely off and the Aritas looks like they were done by someone that doesn’t know anything about Japanese characters
here are the other certs for future reference:fossil cosmos holo zapdos, cert 45224879japanese base charmeleon, cert 45224880
japanese jungle clefable, cert 45224883
If you think I’m way off in calling these inauthentic, feel free to voice your concerns. Here’s a comparison between two real arita sigs [top] and three of these ones from the seller:
They may look a little “off,” but are you going off anything more than that to contradict the judgment of PSA as “very probably” incorrect?
It’s also worth nothing that if someone is performing hundreds or thousands of signatures, many are bound to look at least a little bit off, particularly when the person signing is tired.
PSA has absolutely no idea what they are doing with Pokemon signatures. They authenticate autopen or fake Sugimoris all the time, and fake Aritas as well.
This is all while they reject legitimate signatures like the ones @swolepoke personally obtained from Fukuda in Dallas.
PSA’s ineptitude in this area is well documented, as is the consistency of legit Ken Sugimori and Arita signatures.
I can’t prove the sigs are not authentic short of watching the person faking them in person, hence the weasel words. It’s just plain impossible to prove a negative like this. The default position is to assume fake and the burden of proof is on the person who claims it’s real. But look at the evidence. There’s a difference between being “off” and making up your own Japanese characters. Not to mention the two different artists, both looking suspect, coming from the same seller, graded in the same submission…
If you got an example of other arita sigs that look anything like these please feel free to post them. Or maybe anything constructive outside of nit-picking my phrasing. Otherwise I’m not really in the mood to address the concerns of a serial contrarian.
Autographs like Arita’s and Sugimori’s, while varying every time in presentation due to factors like human inaccuracy, fatigue, etc. still have characteristics that are present consistently, in every copy with provenance.
Those autographs are missing those consistent pieces. For Sugimori, the biggest giveaway is the Pikachu and whether or not it “looks right.” That one certainly does not look right compared to copies with provenance. In addition, if you understand the Japanese kanji characters they’re writing for both Arita and Sugimori, the difference in hand writing becomes clearer as well.
Looks fake as hell to me. When you write your signature it becomes second nature to you similar to how you don’t have to “think” about typing on a keyboard. Your fingers are just “programmed” to do it automatically with no significant thinking.
You can see on the two top signature you have the small curved tail on the end from the signor getting ready to write the next letter. The three bottom signatures you can tell the person had the pen straight and was probably writing the letters very carefully but failed to replicate the distinct features of the pen stroke. You can also tell that the top two signatures were written with a curved pen which is the natural signature position. The three bottom look like the person was holding the sharpie straight up.
Damn thread, I have been trying to make some quick cash, my wife always told me my hand writing sucked. Cursive didn’t help either. You have officially killed and authenticated my mojo: @pkmnflyingmaster. Thanks for the update
Graded autographs are still way better than ungraded. While obviously imperfect, It’s at least a barrier. There are way more fake ungraded than graded.
