PSA Damages First English Pokémon Pack and Gets Legally Challenged

Here’s my journey suing PSA (Collectors Universe)

So, one of my first WOTC purchases (after my parents literally gave away my entire Pokémon collection while I was away at college) was the 1998 Pokemon Demo Pack. It was I virtually perfect shape. Super proud of the find.

This was also my very first item I graded with PSA, and since then, I’ve graded over 1k items. Much to my delight,it received a 10, and only 40 exist.

Years later, I decided to reholder the pack for the new case. Sent it off, it got stalled for an unusual amount of time, then finally got shipped back.

Before it arrived, I checked out the scans from PSA online.

My pack now has an excruciatingly obvious hole in it.


Notified them before I got it back, and shipped it back to them to have a “specialist” look at it to determine if it was their mistake.

Thankfully I set the declared value at $25k since, in their contract, it says that’s the maximum they will pay in case of a mistake.

Now I’ve been waiting for 2 months as it’s in a “CRC hold.” I’m deeply saddened and angered about losing one of my prized possessions.




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This is awful, @GiosHideout! I hope that PSA rectifies this, but I am sure that it will take a long time.

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Man oh man… that is terrible. I hope they pay you the full declared value. They’re painted into a pretty big corner too, since it was sent to them in a PSA case, already graded a 10. Not a lot of wiggle room for them to say “You must have damaged it when you shipped it.” Also, the fact that they re-graded it a 10 with the hole, gives them even less of an escape route.

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Misery in company, I also have an item in CRC right now. :grimacing:

Curious how they handle yours as graded packs are a newer/less established market. Let us know how it goes!

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I too have something in CRC. :grimacing:

Maybe we should create a “CRC Dread” thread. :laughing:

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This whole crc thing is uncharted territory for me. I feel like my card is on trial! :sweat_smile:

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Sucks to see such a historic piece get damaged though, hope they make it right

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The only time I sent packs in for grading, all four were sent back to me as tampered. The packs looked completely fine to me, and I even opened one to be absolutely sure. So a year of waiting just for them to keep my $100 and tell me they’re tampered. I was excited to have a graded HGSS art set, mostly the Ampharos, and I waited until they were using the new slab design.

Yes, I know this is just the nature of the beast sometimes. Yes, I know they could have seen something that I didn’t. Yes, I know this outcome is definitely a minority occurrence and not the norm. Even all of that aside, it still left a bad taste in my mouth and has made me not want to send in packs. Maybe I’ll eventually get over it and send in another Ampharos HGSS pack.

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Tbh, I wanted to go public with this the moment I saw the damage, but I wanted to give PSA a chance to make this right.

It’s now been months and I still have no resolution. They’re still reviewing the case, but I did notice that they removed the picture of the slab from their website when you look up the cert.

This undermines PSA’s legitimacy. They had “at least” 2 people review and approve that pack reholder and obviously knew that they severely damaged it. How tf can they still call that a PSA 10?

They also didn’t even have the decency to call me and let me know. They shipped it, charged my card, and hoped I wouldn’t notice.

Shame.

@sircharleszard
@Dyl
@smpratte

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Given the price of the item, you would assume that they would have taken extra special care. Or at least gotten back to you at a reasonable speed.

I’m sure the process is taking many months because they are consulting with legal to determine if they can wiggle out of this one given the available documentation and wording of their policy. When an item is worth north of five figures, that type of loss is serious business from the perspective of corporate.

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Yep, just like it was delayed when they noticed and/or caused the damage when reholdering. It stopped on the “assembly” phase for several weeks (very abnormal).

They still decided to ship it and cross their fingers. I’ve documented everything on camera as I opened the box, have all my emails and receipts from BOTH times the pack has been at PSA, and have a lawyer on standby in the event they offer anything below the declared value.

I will literally lose money on this to sue them if necessary.

Here’s their criteria for a PSA 10 pack:

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I want to preface that I am 100% on your side: 1) This is absolute trash, and 2) You deserve compensation.

BUT, I’m not sure that lawyering up is the right call considering that it will be David vs. Goliath. PSA’s parent company Collectors Universe is valued north of $4 billion. They would drown you in legal fees and services until you either gave up or became broke. I can’t imagine the hundreds of attorneys they have on retainer. :slightly_frowning_face:

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I hear you, and agree it would be a tremendous challenge.

But this is the type of case that is so damning to PSA’s credibility, and so clearly brought about by negligence (either their flawed first holders, or their mishandling of the pack itself) that I’m confident I’d win.

Also, in the event of a trial, I’d be reimbursed all legal fees if I won.

I’d make this mistake a thorn in their side, I promise you that.

Bottom line is I’m actually pretty heartbroken about this thing. But I do appreciate your thoughtful considerations about the legal mess this could be.

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I will be rooting for you from the stands! Let’s hope that it doesn’t come to legal action and that you get a response ASAP.

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Thank you.

I’ll keep everyone posted.

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I’ve never had a problem of this level, but one thing that has help me in the past with PSA issues is casually mentioning that you are going to make a YouTube video about what happened. That kind of thing really seems to get their attention. And in reality, a video about this would get a fair amount of views. And there are plenty of sports card collectors and PokéTubers who would likely cover the story as well. It is too easy of a story to drive clicks. And it all makes PSA look terrible.

It seemed like that helped speed up Rusty’s PSA pack grading problem, when he had three legitimate vintage packs labeled as “fake” and returned opened. :eyes:

Your pictures of the slabbed pack with the hole in it speak for itself. PSA is gaining quite the pack grading reputation!

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I most certainly will plaster this all over YouTube and social media if they don’t do the right thing.

Appreciate the input.

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UPDATE

I finally got a call from the specialist assigned to my CRC case. We had a lengthy conversation, and she began by taking measures to sound sincere in her demeaner. She apologized for the error, and said that this was "obviously damaged while in our possession, and we’re going to take responsibility for it. This, somehow, surprised me, since I figured they would try to dodge responsibility in some way.

Essentially, she attributed the error to the volume of business they have had through the last couple of years. I let her know I recognize the amount of business they do, but disagreed that it was their workload that caused the systemic failure in reholdering this item. I also mentioned that several people had to have laid eyes on the pack (including the person who actually cracked it out and unfolded it). I get that mistakes happen, but this should have been reported when the mistake occurred. It’s bad optics for their business, and sharply lowers their credibility in my eyes. Hey, I wouldn’t want to report a $25k mistake to my boss either, but the Quality Check people sure as hell should have noticed it. Also, having too much business is a problem that every business likes to have. If you can’t maintain quality when you scale to where they are now, then they have some
bigger issues.

Next, she mentioned the air holes that are in Pokemon packs, and said she thinks that the damage PSA did made the manufacturer hole “slightly bigger.” I corrected her quickly, and let her know the air holes had nothing to do with the the damage they caused to the pack. She didn’t argue this any further, and we moved on.

She reluctantly told me that the way they resolve these issues is to pay out the difference in value from the PSA 10 to the new grade it would receive now. I feel like she already knew that I wasn’t going to be satisfied with that offer when she was speaking. I told her I understand their process, but I reject the offer (we didn’t even get to the dollar figure they had in mind).

She let me know that the pack would now be a PSA 7, according to their “head unopened pack grader.” The difference in prices, as you all probably already know, is almost the entire value of the pack. I told her that I cannot accept their offer, and told them I am seeking the maximum allowed compensation for the pack which is capped at the declared value of the order ($25k). I explained that Heritage Auctions sold 2 PSA 10 Demo Packs in the last couple of years for about $27k and $23k. She asked if I have the record of this, and asked me to send her those records.

Lastly, she said she understands me, and “is with me” and is going to push to get the max value, but anything over a certain number is up to the executive leadership team, and that’s where case is now headed. She said for the amount I’m requesting, it will need approval from the president of PSA, and this will take time to get done,

We ended by me telling her that I’ve been a PSA enthusiast for 5 years, and have graded over 1,000 items with them. I’ve recommended PSA and spoken highly about their over all consistency and accuracy. But this whole situation just deflated me. She plans to speak with their “pricing people” and then their president next week and will contact me then.

This whole thing sucks. :frowning: Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to update those who are interested.

@Dyl
@smpratte
@sircharleszard

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It sounds like it is going as well as it can at this point. Hopefully they actually payout a declared value. Those Heritage Auctions records should help quite a bit. I’d think.

Out of random curiosity, was the specialist you spoke to named Nanette? That was the lady I spoke to, and I believe Rusty mentioned in a video that he spoke to her as well.

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How the hell is that a 7 lmao it’s not just scratched it’s literally ripped in multiple places…at least she seems to be doing all she can for you. Will be interesting to hear next steps…thanks for keeping us posted

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