I’m curious, if Verbalhorse paid X price which is less than Y price which is what product went for in second auction.
Does the seller get Y and Probstein are compensating the seller the difference? Or is seller getting x price- just confused as I understand it, Probstein is not the owner of the card, they are just a consignment service?
God damn, talk about getting the right bidders at the right time…
If he does follow through and sends you all the cards, you should 169% 420flip that Typhlosion.
Correct, nobodies disputing that 
however the seller offered a decent alternative which would prevent the seller losing likely hundreds of dollars and have the OP win all of his items, which evidently worked out - as the OP ended up winning all 31 items and still paid the original winning amount.
Nope, seller could just cancel with the excuse being there was a problem with the buyers address, which would prevent any dings to the seller account.
The way I understand it, no monies will transact for the second round of auctions - OP has paid once (your price X) and then won all of the auctions a second time to prevent somebody else paying for the cards they’ve already paid for. The seller will then send the cards to the correct address this time and presumably cancel the second round of sales and then not relist the items. Be interesting to know if eBay took the sellers fees on the first round of sales or if there was some way this didn’t happen due to the issues/relisting - cancelling the second auctions will (correctly) avoid sellers fees and so the fees will have been due on the first sales.
EDIT TO ADD: Query I was responding to was clarified downthread, I was confusing Probstein for the actual seller above.
Hopefully it works out for the OP. Personally there is no chance I would have complied with the request of bidding on the same items again, after having already paid for them the first time. It’s a very weird business move to ask any customer to do something like that. I understand why you chose to do it, but personally I wouldn’t have put that much faith in eBay/Probstein to get it right this time. If it were me I’d be worried about getting 31 items not paid marks against my account, and getting banned, due to another round of negligence on behalf of the seller.
He was talking about the people who sent the cards to Probstein in the first place. Will they get the first price minus the Probstein fees or will they get the second price minus the Probstein fees? Which I think is a great question, but they probably have it somewhere in their terms and conditions that it is the one that is paid for.
Ah yes, gotcha. Yes, a great question then.
I also felt this way, way to many supporting the seller. It reminds me of a debate before about how being busier somehow means you can provide less of service. Essentially just a corporate mind set. These days there is nothing more frustrating than having a descent concern that requires some explaining but being faced by automated messages/responses
There are multiple cards Probstein had end in auction last night, that were relisted for auction again within hours of the first ending…
May I also say I hope that @verbalhorse you choose to loiter here and show off some of your stuff in a collection thread 
Exactly. Which is another form of market manipulation. So my original quote was right on point. Like I said originally I feel bad for the people trusting this person with their cards to legitimately sell them. I also feel bad for people who wasted their time and energy dealing with this person. Nothing is more frustrating then winning a auction to never receive what you won.
@kpod Ouch… And the hole Probstein123 digs just gets deeper. No idea how they are still in business! I wish eBay and all other selling platforms would ban them!
Thought I was in a PSA rant thread for a bit there,
Wild ride here in this thread. Hope it all works out. Not sure what happened here but I’ve bought hundreds of cards from Probstein successfully over the years (mostly years ago) and know people who have also bought from or consigned with them and they are big for a reason. They do at least passable business overall and you see a lot of bad stories as with any other business of large size. 862 negative feedback in the past 12 months which is almost as many as I have positive, but they also have 231,776 in the same timeframe. Which is massive as many buyers don’t even leave feedback when everything goes well.
F Probstein123.
Hmm, what to make of if all?
The entire internet is lying/jumping to conclusions
No-one is lying/jumping to conclusions and the man is clearly corrupt and protected by eBay, supplementing his otherwise legitimate business with a percentile of scamming for some reason, just within the threshold of what eBay is willing to turn a blind eye against.
He is Scrooge Mcduck and refuses to hire enough employees and so his business is an organizational mess, leading to relistings, lost cards, messy paperwork, shipping problems and every other potential issue under the sun.
This is my immediate thought too. I would had taken the refund then dinged him with negative/neutral feedback for all 31 transactions with a simple message of “seller shipped to themselves, relisted items to auction, then canceled sale”. Normally I’d say a neutral feedback but the way it’s being handled would sour me into leaving a negative.
I hope it does work out for OP and he gets his card for his original payment amount.
I’d avoid anyone with below 100% feedback.
That is a bit harsh. High volume sellers are naturally going to have mistakes. I just mis-shipped a card to someone who luckily was very kind and cooperative. And I am not doing anywhere near the volume of larger stores.
Can either of you point me to a single post that defended the seller? I went though the whole thread and couldn’t find one.
There’s a difference in providing an explanation for the seller’s actions and defending them. The thread started with accusations of theft, which assumes a lot about the seller’s intentions. No one - from what I read - said the seller didn’t do anything wrong. But there were people who challenged the assumption that this problem was intentional. Rightfully so, because the possible range of solutions would change if the seller was intentionally doing this versus making an ignorant mistake. Basically every post that tried to give some benefit of the doubt to the intentions of the seller also explicitly said that it doesn’t justify the mistake.
We can sit here all day and shit on probstein but if you actually want to resolve the issue, it’s best to get the most grounded understanding of WHY it happened and evaluate the different pathways to resolve the problem based on that.
Good news everyone!
Probstein got in touch earlier today to confirm my shipping for the cards. They have been marked as “shipped” on eBay and were processed without me having to pay as promised. I am now just waiting for them to reach me, but I assume they will be shipped tomorrow if they haven’t been already shipped today.
Despite all the trouble I am super happy to be getting the cards after all was said and done. This was the ideal solution for me and I’m glad I will have the cards over a refund.
I agree with posters saying the problems stem from poor organization and a heavy stream of demand. Without PWCC on eBay anymore, Probstein seems to be the biggest player with 20,000 active listings each week. There’s no doubt his operation must be huge and as a result customer service suffers and problems go unsolved. To be fair to probstein his communication wasn’t the slowest I’ve had with a seller, just slower than I would have liked for how big the problem was in my eyes. I think an extra person to help with emails and customer service might go a long way lol.
I will let you folks know if/when the cards reach me and I will share exactly what I won, I think they’re some really great cards. Thanks to everyone who shared their thoughts and opinions, I was worried about trying to get the cards over a refund, but I’m super glad I stuck it through and managed to work things out. I can see why some people buy many times and never have a problem with Probstein and why others buy once and feel burned. It really is RNG with a huge seller like him, but he did solve the problem when things went wrong, and credit to him for that
Sometimes, as a seller, you’ll do everything perfectly and the buyer will still leave a negative. Big disagree with the above.