Like most things, I think vintage prices are a spectrum. The cards I want to buy are going up in price 
. The cards I want to sell are going down in price .
In all seriousness, there certainly is more of an opportunity to buy vintage at lower prices than the last few years. Will that continue? Who knows.
Psa 10 wotc holos for under $100? Pics please
I’m betting he’s meaning WOTC era Japanese PSA 10s
Yeah, agree. I would assume a lot of people just use the wrong words/phrasing and they just mean the “cyclical” nature of collectible markets, where its normal to have up and downs.
Problem is with how you mention, some fellas are assuming massive spikes like what happened in 20-21 is bound to happen within x years.
To be fair, I think 2001-2016 is an entirely different era and I’m not sure it’s even relevant when talking about market trends anymore. Pokemon essentially had to be brought back from the dead at that point. There was a period in there where no one outside of a few dedicated collectors really cared about Pokemon at all.
While I’m certainly not anticipating another 2020-style boom, I am also not expecting another decade-and-a-half period of stagnancy.
Buying when nobody cared back in 2016 and before, turned out to be ‘unintentionally’ one of the best investments anyone could ever made.
Currently the majority of collectors dont care about vintage, which automatically turns it into the best opportunity / investment again.
No guarantees ofcourse.
I got most of my vintage cards over the past months and they will stay with me regardless of the price and market.
I’ve been buying a lot of vintage too, but I try to be more careful than I was in 2020 when everything grew. I don’t think just because something is wotc and high grade is a no brainier anymore. Some WOTC is just not “investable” at least compared to other WOTC.
Well yeah. I don’t think anyone necessarily expects Fossil Muks or Neo Genesis Jumpluffs to balloon in price, but purely from a value perspective, I would still take a lower-end WOTC holo over the vast majority of modern “stonk” cards.
Idk I think I’d take a popular species alt art over a low popularity WOTC holo. But that’s something I’d have to think about a bit more. Overall I think popularity sells more than rarity. That’s something that we saw all over the place in the last few years
That’s why I said the vast majority of modern stonk cards; not all of them. But I think this holds true for like 90 percent of modern cards out there.
I didn’t make this thread as a value/speculative thing. I was just saying vintage cards are a lot cheaper and now is a good time to add certain ones to the collection that might have been out of reach before since the boom, and wanted to see what everyone was getting for their personal collection. 
Vintage is in a great place right now. Personally, I would prefer stability and overly critical responses from the masses. The fewer modern stonkers that mess with vintage, the happier I become. 
Vintage is undervalued. Modern is overvalued. And I love it. Just give me another 5-10 years to finish buying all the vintage I think is most slept on (and there are some DEEP sleepers particularly in the promo department) before people wake up.
For all the criticism of how the space is only filled with modern stonkers and hypebeasts, this thread is the exact opposite. No appreciation of vintage except for how much of a bargain it is, what good deals there are, how it will do well in the future etc.
I guess it’s in the thread title, but still, why even bother with the criticism and differences when it’s all the same rhetoric?
I feel like my comment tried to make things clear as to why I started this thread
To change the topic from grading back to vintage Pokemon…
Unlimited WOTC is pretty down. I’d almost call it “uninvestable”
Thoughts? I see unlimited WOTC everywhere for dirt cheap prices. I’m talking like 10$ for raw NM holos. Nobody grabs them, nobody wants it. People who build sets for fun already have these and there is a truly unlimited 
amount of this stuff. Am I wrong (I know there are a handful of cards that are worth big amounts but generally speaking if you’re trying to invest in safe Pokemon set cards, unlimited seems like a bad choice)
English Unlimited is definitely from the bargain bin. The occasional 10 can still be worth a fair amount of money, but they are much better for binders than for stonky investors.
Same thing is going on with holos from the EX era. They are dirt cheap right now, even in graded 9s and 10s. Always overshadowed by the EX and 
cards.
I think Base Unlimited is a good value, but not really ‘investable’ like 1st Ed or even Shadowless. There’s still a good amount of sealed product and the vast majority of kids had Base Unlimited more than any other print of Base Set it seems. 1st Ed or Shadowless though were always more special or at least harder to come by (esp. 1st Ed). The only way to really have anything special or more investable I think would be buying PSA 10 holos (maybe).
I think we need to reach a point where both 1st Ed and Shadowless become very hard to come by or too high of price for collectors, at that point you could see more money move into Unlimited. I’ve seen a similar trend with vintage MTG ABU cards, but it’s going to take a while before this ever happens I feel.
The other factor to look at is sealed product. I always see Base Unlimited packs and boxes for sale. Shadowless boxes are almost never available and 1st Ed shows up maybe a couple times a year if you’re lucky. I think this is all important to consider as well.
Oh so true ex holos are worthless. Big sad