Pokemon Market In The Next 12 Months (predictions)

The last two hype cycles have correlated with an environment where demand outstrips supply and money can be made buying at MSRP. When multiple sets in a row release with supply matching demand, that is when the cycle of elevated interest will start to fade at an accelerated rate.

Free money brings people in. The anti-scalper discourse is free advertising for an easy money opportunity. But easy money never ever lasts forever. I think the gap will close in less than 12 months.

Aside, 30th anv is deeply priced in and supply/demand for modern sealed at the time matters far more than this date alone.

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The most important question to ask during a boom is ā€œwhy.ā€ Once you figure out why things are going up, you can then speculate and extrapolate as to when those conditions will change. In 2016 we had demographic factors pressuring the market (young Base Set collectors growing up and spending newly-gained disposable income), in 2020 we had the pandemic, 2023 waifu/Japanese boom aligned with new Chinese popularity/speculating and social media hype, etc. etc. I think the modern and vintage increases have different causes, so I’ll break them down separately.

My hot take is that the current modern scarcity is much more of a supply issue than a demand issue. If we look back at early SV, almost all the English booster boxes were widely available for 60% of MSRP. I was buying SV4 and SV5 in Japanese for a similar percentage off MSRP. A lot of secondary market values were approaching distributor pricing for booster boxes.

Pokemon likely responded to this by decreasing the amount that they ordered printed of the latter half of the SV sets. Unfortunately, these sets were quite good and many more people wanted Pikachu and Mewtwo and Umbreon SARs than Terapagos and Iron Valiant and 4x Ogerpon (who’ve thunk it?). Pokemon has ordered reprints, and we know it takes about 6-8 months for reprints to reach consumers.

My crystal-ball prediction is that the modern supply issues will be more or less sorted by this time next year, and product will be widely available at MSRP. However, I doubt we’ll go back to sub-$100 booster boxes at all during the Mega era. Megas are much more popular and interesting than brand new Pokemon, as long as Pokemon throws us a good mega or two in each M era set we won’t be hurting. It looks like we’re getting sets based on Lucario/Gardevoir, Charizard, Greninja, and Rayquaza to kick off the M era, so no duds there at all. Maybe we’ll need to wait until the start of Gen 10 for modern prices to really drop.

In terms of vintage, it seems like the entire vintage market has shifted, and I can’t point to one cause. Vintage lagged behind modern for a long time in this boom, and it even seemed like vintage was being led by modern. Things like the rise in XY Mega cards and TRR looked to be directly correlated to Legends ZA and the return of Rocket’s Pokemon in Destined Rivals. It seems like only a few months ago when certain individuals claimed vintage was relegated to the uncool trash heap of history. If this was the cause for vintage increases, I’d say that the vintage boom would be reduced and prices may start to come down once modern supply/demand stabilize.

However, now we’re seeing astonishingly high vintage sales every day, seemingly decoupled from the modern trend. Anything chase, English, and PSA 10 hits a new record every time it’s sold, and it isn’t close. Prices on basically everything outside of Base Set are now are even eclipsing their 2021 highs. It seems like the vintage phenomenon is definitely not just a reaction to modern and is something in and of itself. I can’t really point to a cause though, which makes it very hard to predict where things will go.

If 2020-21 taught us anything, you can never really tell when things will stop going up. You can also never tell how far things will fall from their heights. While there will be ups and downs, by and large prices will never get back to the way they were before. $7-10k for BW full art PSA 10s feels insane to me, but these are also cards with incredibly low supply. Outside of things like Van Gogh Pika (which was selling for lots before the boom and hasn’t really gone anywhere recently) I can’t point to anything that feels like 2020’s PSA 10 Jungle Eeeves. I’m suspicious about the influence of social media hype, shilling, self-justifying prices, and the investor mentality that everything will go up forever no matter what you pay. It’s the same things I saw in 2020-21, so I do anticipate some level of significant retrace in some segments. When and where that comes is anyone’s guess. If you stuck through this fourthstar essay, thank you.

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it is important to note that it is the ā€œpopularā€ pokemons that are seeing huge spikes in prices but some of the traditionally harder to grade cards like 1st ed neo gen heracross, 1st ed light togetic, 1st ed neo discovery yanma maybe even something like no symbol vaporeon (all in psa 10 ofc) are lagging far far behind… ofc dont expect the investor bros to even know what those are :rofl:

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Once the last chase card of the hobby is touched, then one must think that we’ve reached the peak, no?

Back in 2021, Tag Team alts were still priced decently. Up until this latest boom, XY alts as well- and although I don’t follow vintage cards, I assume they were too. But, if everything now has attention on, there can only be a time where attention drops.

I think the booms have aligned with external factors basically every time as opposed to internal factors like what anniversary it is. Even 151 couldn’t match the release of Pocket.

Which means that if Gen 10 is finally a Pokemon game that captures the masses, that could be the next boom event. If it isn’t, which it most likely won’t be then the wait will go on. Although certain economic events will also have their say.

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I believe low pop/hard to grade cards will not see too significant of a retrace. There is a strong desire among collectors to own something that is ā€œscarceā€ and nobody else has. Im assuming since trophy cards aren’t flashy enough/too expensive, low pop PSA 10s of set cards appear to be the alternative.

If a retrace occurs, the first cards being sold will be the cards with pops in the thousands and tens-of-thousands.

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Low pop cards have different, but very real risks just like high pop cards

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Can confirm.

Anyone want my PSA 10 Evolutions Magneton? 1 of 8 population.

No takers? No? What do you mean you don’t understand why it’s thousands of dollars…

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Until… it all goes up again.

Wake me up when we’re at the $5000 PSA 9 unlimited Blastoise station. :fuel_pump:

In Mahahbee you’d go to the Mennessee Penitentiary for that. :shower: :soap: :chains:

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I’ve been seeing some sizable declines in post-2020 modern recently. Really started to take off almost the same way as crypto & stocks did and seems to be correcting some now. I don’t have much of it, but some of my XY era cards have really gone up a lot also. Vintage has recovered fairly well compared to 2022/2023 after the post-Covid collapse and seems more stable/fair valued now. Japanese vintage in particular is still looking good to me and I’ve been trying to finish off my Vending Series binders.

I’m considering scooping up some modern singles for my binder sets soon, and then I may look at some more vintage over then next while and also later in the year as I find there’s good deals heading into the Christmas/Holiday seasons as spending habits and priorities seem to shift.

Overall, I feel we’re mostly in a buyers market compared to the start of the year or late 2024 depending on where you look. Longer term I am still bullish on Pokemon & collectibles and continue to accumulate. My only regret so far was not a buying PSA 10 1st Ed Base Set Bulbasaur for $1000 last year when I had the chance.

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I like this take. The hobby is so big that there are always opportunities, so long as you’re not fixated on the flavour of the week

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This is an interesting take, I definitely think low-pop PSA 10 English set cards (which are low pop due to difficulty to grade) have a lower risk to retrace than modern or some of the more speculative Japanese promos we’ve seen lately (Ponchos etc). Two points on this though: (a) low pop doesn’t inherently protect from price decreases and (b) pop on set cards can always go up.

With the first point, we can look at things like the Creatures deck cards which despite having a limited release are well down from their initial price points and are falling even in a boom period. I don’t doubt these cards will eventually get more attention, but right now low pop doesn’t mean anything if the market isn’t valuing the cards accordingly.

For the second point, we can look to things like PSA 10 Milotic ex from EX Emerald. IIRC this was a $15k card in 2021 because it was so low pop and perceived as difficult to grade. Since then, a bunch more 10s have come onto the market and the price has gone down a lot. For set cards, low pop is more protective if there are other factors influencing the card’s value than the population. I’d be much more comfortable with $7k+ for PSA 10 BW full arts if they’re Groudon, Mewtwo, Ho-Oh etc. rather than Black Kyurem.

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Milotic the poster child of cautionary tales for English set cards

But I bet in this market zng could squeeze out a 25k milotic

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Thank you for bringing up the Milotic ex example. I was not around in PTCG in 2021 so I may have missed some key parallels. I also do not know if the Milotic’s exorbitant prices were driven by its popularity or simply ā€œlow popā€ & PSA 10 set collectors.

That being said I like to categorize low pop set cards into two categories:

  1. Cards with good pokemon: lugia, creation trio, weather trio, reshiram zekrom, etc
  2. Cards with unpopular pokemon: stuff like team plasma heatran, forces of nature, etc

Right now, cards in the (2) category are being pumped & hyped for being low pop. Once this hype dies down I believe that the majority of committed buyers will be collectors completing their PSA 10 sets/have genuine love for the card, and prices will retrace pretty hard once the inorganic demand runs dry.

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The third category is the biggest one

Stuff that’s hard to grade

ive sold this card before and tbh it was kind of a pain to even get 5-6k outta it. dont remember exactly what i sold it for but it was somewhere in there. no clue if that 15k ā€œsaleā€ in 2021 was real or not :rofl:

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Got a yanma 1st 10 coming to auction, never seen one before.

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god speed

actually auctioned a heracross 1st 10 a couple months ago, I remember actually saying ā€œwowā€ seeing it, and couldn’t believe once the auction ended it goes for less than what a bgs 10 moonbreon sells for in 10. Sad.

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