Place your bets on the next Typhlosion 17

[lebleu]

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@lebleu

But purely talking about the pokemons aside from the tcg cyndaquil and other gen 2’s do come close to charmander’s evo line in term of popularity.

I really don’t think this is true. I think Charizard is exponentially more popular than Typhlosion.

Regardless, it’s not just about the popularity of the Pokemon. The Base Set Charizard has been the more famous and sought after card literally since the beginning of the hobby. The T17 didn’t really become a prominent card in the hobby until more recently.

In my opinion, the T17 is still more about high-end Pokemon card collectors who are pretty deep into the hobby and want to complete a Neo Genesis Set. (Although clearly it’s more than *just* that or else Slowking would have the same amount of hype).

But the Base Set Charizard is a card that literally everyone in the hobby wants and even many people who are not deep into the hobby or only have a vague interest in Pokemon. And, as you said, even people who have no interest in Pokemon and just like the idea of owning such a sought after collector’s item. And yes, probably some people who want it as an investment piece too.

Like I said… it’s really not comparable. I think you do a disservice to T17 when you try to do so.

You should read everything I wrote down before answering, you repeated my points haha

[pokedreamer]

@madden12ut

@pokedreamer

The Japanese version is underrated and a much prettier card in my opinion with the gold borders

Yeah but which version has more of the background Charizard showing? Exactly. English single handedly wins due to having 30% more Charizard

Yes LOL. Big facts, plus you have swirls on the English holo version so it should be worth at least 10x more. Stonks

[casual]

@firebirder31

@casual

They are already there!
My PSA 10 1st Ed Yanma (Y17) sold a couple months ago for $12,000 and other low pop cards have been hitting highs as well. Typhlosion is unique in that I haven’t seen an actual PSA 10 that’s free of print lines or defects, but even just the label is 5 figures.

Yanma sells for 12,000+ what should the 9 be valued at? Seems like 1.2k at a minimum?

It’ll get there. Close to 1k already I think

[maverick23]

100% agree with EnlightenedBulbasaur, no card will ever top the popularity of the OG Charizard. End of discussion

[kurtosisblakeinfini]

These cards that are highly favoured already mentioned were in their own circle and have become cult-followed classics until something demand-based triggers them to ascend like with the case of consistent and actual popular (to evidently MSM examples) cards such as Southern Islands, Expedition, Shining and Ancient Mew and the starters.

In the case of Typhlosion, it was a mix of every factor imaginable. This demand will likely ripple throughout other relevant era cards. However, on set cards being difficult to grade as the prime and sole factor just isn’t enough. Saying this and looking at 10’s (following grade after) being a minority of what’s survived since release is an indication of those making these cards matter. I wasn’t even mad when it (pun intended) Typhloded because it was a break into a new chapter for what’s universally accepted in MSM as the usual high tier Pokémon cards.

Outside of art/favourite mon/set collection really cares about Yanma even compared to Houndour or the big baller Neo Genesis stars who were popular in several dimensions from the start? Look at the variation of top price for each holofoil in their sets respectfully. WOTC Eeveeloutions, Dragonite, Tyranitar and some of the cult Mews above are scratching at the five-figure gates. Shining Magikarp and the three Neo beasts comes to mind.

Or what if this was on the other side of Pokémon in contemplating modern potential. I don’t see the Rocket Anniversary case promos having a reason to descend, like, at all.

[jcincy101]

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@lebleu

But purely talking about the pokemons aside from the tcg cyndaquil and other gen 2’s do come close to charmander’s evo line in term of popularity.

I really don’t think this is true. I think Charizard is exponentially more popular than Typhlosion.

Regardless, it’s not just about the popularity of the Pokemon. The Base Set Charizard has been the more famous and sought after card literally since the beginning of the hobby. The T17 didn’t really become a prominent card in the hobby until more recently.

In my opinion, the T17 is still more about high-end Pokemon card collectors who are pretty deep into the hobby and want to complete a Neo Genesis Set. (Although clearly it’s more than *just* that or else Slowking would have the same amount of hype).

But the Base Set Charizard is a card that literally everyone in the hobby wants and even many people who are not deep into the hobby or only have a vague interest in Pokemon. And, as you said, even people who have no interest in Pokemon and just like the idea of owning such a sought after collector’s item. And yes, probably some people who want it as an investment piece too.

Like I said… it’s really not comparable. I think you do a disservice to T17 when you try to do so.

So true. I was as deep as you could get into Pokémon from 1999-2002. Typhlosion was not even in same hemisphere as popular as charizard. Charizard was on the gameboy game cover box. Charizard didn’t obey Ash in the anime and only fought when he felt like it (aka was overpowered).

Lugia was the big guy in Gen 2. Lugia was on the cover of the gameboy game, Lugia had his own movie. Typhlosion was never a big deal, and is only popular now on a T17 because it’s a hard card to grade. Having played probably a thousand hours of Pokémon Red and Silver, watching all the anime, and collecting a ton of cards at that time too…I can assure you T17 is mainly only expensive because of its pop and the fact that the box it comes from is approaching 20k.