Place your bets on the next Typhlosion 17

[pokehut1]

Expedition Blastoise PSA 10

[jonandek]

Before jumping into this hobby in a big way earlier this year, I had only heard of the original 151 (actually 150) pokemon as those were the ones that were around when I first came into contact with pokemon. In 1999 I bought some boxes of cards after watching my younger cousins obsess over them. Then for 21 years I literally had no contact with the cards, hobby, shows, movies, video games, merch, etc.

When I started collecting in earnest, after Fossil/Jungle/Base Set I literally had no idea where to go next as I had no idea how to evaluate or judge any of the cards. I figured I could take my time collecting all of the cards and learning about the hobby, but I didn’t want prices to run away on me while I was doing that. So one of the first things I did was go through ebay sold listings to figure out what the most expensive cards were from each WOTC set and I bought them all. I figured if I could lock down copies of those first, then even if prices ran away on the others it wouldn’t be so bad to collect them later. Eventually I noticed the gold stars and EX cards from the EX era which led me there too. but I digress…

The T17 really stood out to me, not only as one of the pricier cards from the set (“pricier” here is relative because in Jan/Feb when I bought my first copy it was still pretty cheap), but as some really iconic looking, sweet artwork. I know that’s personal preference, but aesthetically I just find it to be a really cool card. I think a lot of other people feel that way too. On top of that, there are only 9 PSA 10 copies out there! Because I liked the card so much, I never understood the whole SALT-17 discussion and why people were so upset with the price movement on the card. It has made sense to me, and if someone would sell me their PSA 10 copy I would insta-buy it.

Again, further digression. My response to the OP of this thread is that the “next T17” cards are certainly out there. But I don’t see them as random set cards that are waiting to explode in popularity. They are NOT necessarily the chase PSA 10s like Dark Magneton, Yanma, Slowking, Meganium, etc. Those cards are for those that want or need to complete a whole set in PSA 10. I’m stealing some from pokellectoramy’s post, but I think the next T17s are the low pop, iconic set cards that people don’t want to sell, and everybody wants to have in their collection. They are cards like 1st Ed Base Chansey, Neo Gen Lugia, Blaine’s Moltres, Misty’s Golduck, Gold Stars like Torchic/Latias/Latios, EX Emerald Milotic and other cards like that.

[muk]

Something from Expedition would fall in line perfectly with previous set card hypes, as it is the first set of a new era (like 1st Base and Neo Gen) and has some very low pop 10s. Artworks are also phenomenal and many popular species are in there.

Though I’d love to see a non-English non-set card riding the hype for a change, maybe corocoro Shining Mew or Carddass file 000. But I guess the world isn’t ready for that yet.

[kpod]

@chopkins1994

PSA 10 southern islands holos. We’ve already seen huge auction prices from togepi and mew. The set is INCREDIBLY hard to grade seeing as it’s riddled with print lines and holo scratches by how it was packaged. SI Mew will be the next to break 5 figures imo.

If ever there was a card worthy, it’s the SI Mew.

[nish]

@kpod

@chopkins1994

PSA 10 southern islands holos. We’ve already seen huge auction prices from togepi and mew. The set is INCREDIBLY hard to grade seeing as it’s riddled with print lines and holo scratches by how it was packaged. SI Mew will be the next to break 5 figures imo.

If ever there was a card worthy, it’s the SI Mew.

The velvety holo of the japanese version is so damn beautiful

[jakyol]

If black and white era full arts ever get popular, they are all very hard to grade.

[yz2428]

Evolutions regular holo Charizard? very hard to grade and it’s a charizard. it has already spiked, but its current price of around 1500 is still much lower than similar offerings of charizards in psa 10 (base unlimited, LC, base 2, etc.).

[yz2428]

@jonandek

Before jumping into this hobby in a big way earlier this year, I had only heard of the original 151 (actually 150) pokemon as those were the ones that were around when I first came into contact with pokemon. In 1999 I bought some boxes of cards after watching my younger cousins obsess over them. Then for 21 years I literally had no contact with the cards, hobby, shows, movies, video games, merch, etc.

When I started collecting in earnest, after Fossil/Jungle/Base Set I literally had no idea where to go next as I had no idea how to evaluate or judge any of the cards. I figured I could take my time collecting all of the cards and learning about the hobby, but I didn’t want prices to run away on me while I was doing that. So one of the first things I did was go through ebay sold listings to figure out what the most expensive cards were from each WOTC set and I bought them all. I figured if I could lock down copies of those first, then even if prices ran away on the others it wouldn’t be so bad to collect them later. Eventually I noticed the gold stars and EX cards from the EX era which led me there too. but I digress…

The T17 really stood out to me, not only as one of the pricier cards from the set (“pricier” here is relative because in Jan/Feb when I bought my first copy it was still pretty cheap), but as some really iconic looking, sweet artwork. I know that’s personal preference, but aesthetically I just find it to be a really cool card. I think a lot of other people feel that way too. On top of that, there are only 9 PSA 10 copies out there! Because I liked the card so much, I never understood the whole SALT-17 discussion and why people were so upset with the price movement on the card. It has made sense to me, and if someone would sell me their PSA 10 copy I would insta-buy it.

Again, further digression. My response to the OP of this thread is that the “next T17” cards are certainly out there. But I don’t see them as random set cards that are waiting to explode in popularity. They are NOT necessarily the chase PSA 10s like Dark Magneton, Yanma, Slowking, Meganium, etc. Those cards are for those that want or need to complete a whole set in PSA 10. I’m stealing some from pokellectoramy’s post, but I think the next T17s are the low pop, iconic set cards that people don’t want to sell, and everybody wants to have in their collection. They are cards like 1st Ed Base Chansey, Neo Gen Lugia, Blaine’s Moltres, Misty’s Golduck, Gold Stars like Torchic/Latias/Latios, EX Emerald Milotic and other cards like that.

I also grew up watching Yugioh, but I have never collected the cards. I have been tempted recently, as their cards are generally “cheaper” than Pokemon. I was watching a Youtube video of a Yugioh collector and I was kind of amazed at the low pops of some of the original Yugioh cards. Most cards in PSA 10 from the earliest releases are under 100 pop, and many under 50 or even 30 pop. I know Yugioh by market share is nowhere near Pokemon, but that hobby is experiencing the same spike. I have my eyes on a few cards and I am at a point where I want to jump in before things get crazier, despite the meteoric rise in prices since January.

[miguelito]

Obviously it will be Fossil 1st edition holo Dragonite, because that card is my favorite!

Haha but on a serious note, it would be a card that is extremely hard to grade in 10 and is a popular Pokemon, of which I can’t think of any specific cases at the moment…but should be interesting to see unfold!

[surgenius]

@cosrob

@surgenius

Next T17 will undoubtedly be the next extreme low pop to be thrown on auction. M10 has had multiple pop on ebay this year and hasnt presented as scarce as it actually is… and did have an auction that ended at 4k. I honestly think it couldve done better if the one listed BiN was thrown on auction instead of listed at 9,999.

If i were a flipper and I graded the next F5/Slowking/Heracross/Expedition Skarmory/Whatever dried up card you want - I will immediately DM SMPratte and try to have him Co-Sign. Regardless of the fee he charges, I genuinely believe that he would be able to net you the most upon a sale.

There was 4 psa 10s meganium 10s graded in the last few months. I wouldnt bank on this card doing it.

I was actually using that as a reference to how BiN listings and the perceived supply of having one available hinders the card. SO therefore it would be one that hasnt/doesnt come up. If we are going to place our bets right here, right now - it will be a card that its other counterparts also has very low pop. If people wanted T17, they couldnt even get it in unlimited. It will be a card like Vaporeon (No Symbol). Also niche/outlying factors could vastly disrupt pricing for a card such as houndoom from Neo Rev. Say a Houndoom Holo Bleed 1st ed comes to market at auction. As far as I am aware there isnt one as of yet. I am sure that it will be bid into the stratosphere. I know some people will understand why, but it will play out as the card itself (not taking into account bleed) would be worth a great deal.

But money is on No Symbol Vaporeon

[mcorey777]

Neo Discovery Umbreon 1st edition. Very hard to find card so it has my bet. Espeon is right up there as well. Also from a somewhat scare set. Edit looks like someone agrees and posted Umbreon before me. I just caught up on the thread. Beautiful card tho and who doesn’t collect eveelutions

[arkhive]

Tons of answers already, I’ll throw out some Lv.X cards like the Garchomp and Leafeon Lv.X. Those are Pop 1 and 2 respectively in PSA 10. PSA 9s are ~20 in pop as well. They’re missing a ton of what makes T17 T17 but at least they have the low pop aspect. Already mentioned but BW full arts are also a good shout, difficult to grade, aesthetically pretty cool, and the full arts are of popular Pokemon.

Cards like Expedition Skarmory are hard to grade and rare but I don’t think they have the desirability that makes T17 T17. To me, artwork is an important aspect as to what makes a card popular and explode with hype. Like @jonandek and @pokecollectoramy said, it’s the iconic low pop set cards that will be set to explode. There are lots of cards that are difficult to grade but you also need the card to be sought after and iconic. With that said, my bet on one card is the EX Emerald Milotic ex. Beautiful artwork, very low pop (Pop 7 in PSA 10), and it’s in a separate era from T17. Ex era is also becoming more and more popular, I could easily see people say Milotic ex is the T17 of the ex era and then boom, it becomes very hyped, and sought after.

[jawsh98]

@kpod

@chopkins1994

PSA 10 southern islands holos. We’ve already seen huge auction prices from togepi and mew. The set is INCREDIBLY hard to grade seeing as it’s riddled with print lines and holo scratches by how it was packaged. SI Mew will be the next to break 5 figures imo.

If ever there was a card worthy, it’s the SI Mew.

What about the Togepi? I would imagine that would be the same, right?

[crios711]

I will collect the bets, thanks guys

[genosha]

@pokecollectoramy

Wotc cards that are genuinely hard or impossible to grade in a 10:

Prerelease Clefable Jungle
Expedition: Dugtrio, Skarmory
Base 2 Wigglytuff
1st Ed Base Chansey
1st Ed Gym Challenge Misty’s Golduck
1st Ed Gym Heroes Blaine’s Moltres
1st Ed Neo Discovery: Yanma, Houndour
1st Ed Neo Genesis: Feraligatr 5, Azumarill, Heracross, Meganium 10, Pichu, Slowking
1st Ed Neo Revelation: Ampharos, Blissey, Magneton, Misdreavus

Hmm, alot of cards on that list that suffer from the binder-ding

[chopkins1994]

@jawsh98

@kpod

If ever there was a card worthy, it’s the SI Mew.

What about the Togepi? I would imagine that would be the same, right?

Togepi isn’t quite as popular or expensive as mew. So, mew is the main one if we are comparing to T17. Togepi 10 recently sold in the low $3k and the last mew sold at $4.1k. Togepi and slowking are most certainly close seconds to mew. I was just putting more emphasis on mew given the context of the forum.

[wayne]

T17 is not a popular Pokémon. Was there a GX card created for typhlosion?

I can understand why a PSA 10 can be extremely desirable. But a PSA 8/9, especially the 8, is over-hyped.

Can someone please explain to me, with logic, why a PSA 9 T17 can sell more than a lot of 1st edition base PSA 9 cards? ( including Mewtwo).
Please don’t say because the card is iconic and playable. Playable cards does not equal to high value chase card - Shaymin EX.

I also really like the look on T17. I like it more than base Charizard. But, this does not make the card iconic.

Yes, 10 is rare and I can see why people are willing to pay for it. But how is an 8 justify the price ?

[surgenius]

@wayne

T17 is not a popular Pokémon. Was there a GX card created for typhlosion?

I can understand why a PSA 10 can be extremely desirable. But a PSA 8/9, especially the 8, is over-hyped.

Can someone please explain to me, with logic, why a PSA 9 T17 can sell more than a lot of 1st edition base PSA 9 cards? ( including Mewtwo).
Please don’t say because the card is iconic and playable. Playable cards does not equal to high value chase card - Shaymin EX.

I also really like the look on T17. I like it more than base Charizard. But, this does not make the card iconic.

Yes, 10 is rare and I can see why people are willing to pay for it. But how is an 8 justify the price ?

PSA 10 to PSA 9 pricing is closer on Mewtwo. Consumers want the best they can get at a certain point. More buyers with opportunities for a 10 with mewtwo at the time being. No opportunity of a 10 with t17. 8… I am lost as well… I literally sold an unlimited psa 8 for $400.

[shadowless]

@wayne

T17 is not a popular Pokémon. Was there a GX card created for typhlosion?

I can understand why a PSA 10 can be extremely desirable. But a PSA 8/9, especially the 8, is over-hyped.

Can someone please explain to me, with logic, why a PSA 9 T17 can sell more than a lot of 1st edition base PSA 9 cards? ( including Mewtwo).
Please don’t say because the card is iconic and playable. Playable cards does not equal to high value chase card - Shaymin EX.

I also really like the look on T17. I like it more than base Charizard. But, this does not make the card iconic.

Yes, 10 is rare and I can see why people are willing to pay for it. But how is an 8 justify the price ?

Because you can´t get the 10, or in the case of an 8 the 9. It will just go down the ladder.

[wayne]

@shadowless

@wayne

T17 is not a popular Pokémon. Was there a GX card created for typhlosion?

I can understand why a PSA 10 can be extremely desirable. But a PSA 8/9, especially the 8, is over-hyped.

Can someone please explain to me, with logic, why a PSA 9 T17 can sell more than a lot of 1st edition base PSA 9 cards? ( including Mewtwo).
Please don’t say because the card is iconic and playable. Playable cards does not equal to high value chase card - Shaymin EX.

I also really like the look on T17. I like it more than base Charizard. But, this does not make the card iconic.

Yes, 10 is rare and I can see why people are willing to pay for it. But how is an 8 justify the price ?

Because you can´t get the 10, or in the case of an 8 the 9. It will just go down the ladder.

With respect, there are lots of cards that it’s hard to find a 10. And 9s are still selling at a very reasonable price.