It actually took about 7 hrs or so to sell. I know weāre used to that selling on eBay for that deal in what seconds? So I wouldnāt say instantly but yeah still quick for a high end card but clearly it was a steal lol

kpod:
At some point a wad of cash and eBay is simply not enough to acquire certain cards
Fully acknowledged, and not trying come off that cavalier about it. For some items, playing offense is required. I was more coming from the perspective of āways I could look/feel stupidā, aka ābad conversations to have with your wifeāā¦
- I just sent a large sum of money to that nice Nigerian man who contacted me yesterday, orā¦
- I couldnāt understand anything or verify the authenticity, and had no protections, but I just wired $90k to this Japanese website. āBut mah nice frends on teh forumz sed everything would be okā
I kid obviously, and am probably very ignorant on this topic, but it really makes me pause, and is likely an insurmountable barrier for me. My view clearly wonāt represent the whole market. But I would imagine that a decent portion of the market at large would think like me on this
To make this deal happen you wouldāve had to fly to japan or wired money to a middle man and trust him to pick up For you

jonandek:
While the price seems low, clicking on that link and trying to navigate makes my head spin. Not to mention then taking the added step of entering credit card or bank information into a site where I canāt understand the language or characters. I know I COULD take the time to search on the forum and sort it all out, but people have to recognize these are real barriers for many buyers. I think it is recognized here, but just sayingā¦
creating saved searches on ebay and watching items I want to bid on is the baseline of effort Iām exerting in buying cards right now. Maybe Iām just going through a lazy period.
At some point a wad of cash and eBay is simply not enough to acquire certain cards
but one is on ebay

kpod:
At some point a wad of cash and eBay is simply not enough to acquire certain cards
but one is on ebay
Sure, if youāre willing to pay a massive, massive premium.

mightymax:
but one is on ebay
Sure, if youāre willing to pay a massive, massive premium.
sounds like a big wad of cash on ebay can buy the card

thymeee:
Well technically, if you wad of cash is 2 million dollarsā¦
My point being that not everything can be purchased through the convenience of eBay. If you want a hard or difficult to acquire card, you may have to go through some inconvenient or non-traditional methods to purchase it. It all comes down to how badly you truly want it.
This.
I hope Iām not asking a sensitive question, as Iām very new to the forum, and know very little about non-set cards, but could someone help me understand why the seller listed it for such a low price? Could they not have listed on Ebay to capture a larger market, or if they were wary of Ebay, they could have posted it on IG or anywhere more visible and scouted offers. I am sure within less than a week much higher offers would have emerged from reputable people willing to fly to pick up the card in person. It isnāt as if this card is an unknown quantity; some cursory googling would have revealed that on the global market it has fetched a price more than double their asking price. Again, apologies if this is an insensitive question to ask. I am just fascinated by this, the seller basically letting it go for a fraction of what they likely could have fetched. It seems to contradict principles of selling for such a large loss in potential money that I am fascinated.

I hope Iām not asking a sensitive question, as Iām very new to the board, and know very little about non-set cards, but could someone help me understand why the seller listed it for such a low price? Could they not have listed on Ebay to capture a larger market, or if they were wary of Ebay, they could have posted it on IG or anywhere more visible and scouted offers. I am sure within less than a week much higher offers would have emerged from reputable people willing to fly to pick up the card in person. It isnāt as if this card is an unknown quantity; some cursory googling would have revealed that on the global market it has fetched a price more than double their asking price. Again, apologies if this is an insensitive question to ask. I am just fascinated by this, the seller basically letting it go for a fraction of what they likely could have fetched. It seems to contradict principles of selling for such a large loss in potential money that I am fascinated.
The owner most likely wasnāt aware and just listed it for a price they wanted. I think itās tough for collectors to take a step back and realize a lot of these winners are just people who participated in a contest. They arenāt collectors searching the Internet for PokĆ©mon cards daily, hourly or even ever.
But I agree, the card would have done much better on a better platform. Even dumping it in auction on eBay probably would have been a record price.

coelacanth:
I hope Iām not asking a sensitive question, as Iām very new to the board, and know very little about non-set cards, but could someone help me understand why the seller listed it for such a low price? Could they not have listed on Ebay to capture a larger market, or if they were wary of Ebay, they could have posted it on IG or anywhere more visible and scouted offers. I am sure within less than a week much higher offers would have emerged from reputable people willing to fly to pick up the card in person. It isnāt as if this card is an unknown quantity; some cursory googling would have revealed that on the global market it has fetched a price more than double their asking price. Again, apologies if this is an insensitive question to ask. I am just fascinated by this, the seller basically letting it go for a fraction of what they likely could have fetched. It seems to contradict principles of selling for such a large loss in potential money that I am fascinated.
The owner most likely wasnāt aware and just listed it for a price they wanted. I think itās tough for collectors to take a step back and realize a lot of these winners are just people who participated in a contest. They arenāt collectors searching the Internet for PokĆ©mon cards daily, hourly or even ever.
But I agree, the card would have done much better on a better platform. Even dumping it in auction on eBay probably would have been a record price.
This definitely makes a lot of sense, and I am surely very biased in my mindset as a collector now that I consider it in context. But if the seller didnāt know of the value of the card, and thought of it as just a card they got from a contest, why would they list it at a five-figure price (in USD, I mean)? I might be incorrect here, but I would think an ignorance of the open-market price of the card would lead the seller to post at maybe 100 dollars or 500 dollars or even a thousand dollars or two. But they clearly were asking a price that was larger than one I would think someone with a complete lack of knowledge of the previous sales of this card would ask, but not remotely close to the actual price one would ask if one was fully aware of that 200k+ sale.

smpratte:
The owner most likely wasnāt aware and just listed it for a price they wanted. I think itās tough for collectors to take a step back and realize a lot of these winners are just people who participated in a contest. They arenāt collectors searching the Internet for PokĆ©mon cards daily, hourly or even ever.
But I agree, the card would have done much better on a better platform. Even dumping it in auction on eBay probably would have been a record price.
This definitely makes a lot of sense, and I am surely very biased in my mindset as a collector now that I consider it in context. But if the seller didnāt know of the value of the card, and thought of it as just a card they got from a contest, why would they list it at a five-figure price (in USD, I mean)? I might be incorrect here, but I would think an ignorance of the open-market price of the card would lead the seller to post at maybe 100 dollars or 500 dollars or even a thousand dollars or two. But they clearly were asking a price that was larger than one I would think someone with a complete lack of knowledge of the previous sales of this card would ask, but not remotely close to the actual price one would ask if one was fully aware of that 200k+ sale.
This is a very goo point. If they didnāt know the value, why a million?
Everyone has a range of knowledge. We can speculate all day on how much knowledge they had on the market, but only the owner can answer that question. Ultimately it boils down to, it was their card, and they decided to list at that price.

jonandek:
Fully acknowledged, and not trying come off that cavalier about it. For some items, playing offense is required. I was more coming from the perspective of āways I could look/feel stupidā, aka ābad conversations to have with your wifeāā¦
- I just sent a large sum of money to that nice Nigerian man who contacted me yesterday, orā¦
- I couldnāt understand anything or verify the authenticity, and had no protections, but I just wired $90k to this Japanese website. āBut mah nice frends on teh forumz sed everything would be okā
I kid obviously, and am probably very ignorant on this topic, but it really makes me pause, and is likely an insurmountable barrier for me. My view clearly wonāt represent the whole market. But I would imagine that a decent portion of the market at large would think like me on this
Is the moral of the story donāt get married or something else
Maybe? If I werenāt married I would throw a $150k offer for a zard. But priorities mean I need to throw that into my mortgage. lol. Itās k, at least I have a roof going for me. i guess (crys in a corner with no zard)

I hope Iām not asking a sensitive question, as Iām very new to the forum, and know very little about non-set cards, but could someone help me understand why the seller listed it for such a low price? Could they not have listed on Ebay to capture a larger market, or if they were wary of Ebay, they could have posted it on IG or anywhere more visible and scouted offers. I am sure within less than a week much higher offers would have emerged from reputable people willing to fly to pick up the card in person. It isnāt as if this card is an unknown quantity; some cursory googling would have revealed that on the global market it has fetched a price more than double their asking price. Again, apologies if this is an insensitive question to ask. I am just fascinated by this, the seller basically letting it go for a fraction of what they likely could have fetched. It seems to contradict principles of selling for such a large loss in potential money that I am fascinated.
One thing to note is that the cardās value is all over the place. Between 2008 and early 2017 the card frequently sold raw for between $8k and $12k, then there was a period where none appeared for several months and then suddenly out of the blue a Mandarake listing saw a raw Illustrator sell for $140k and a handful of other early trophy cards sell far higher than theyād ever sold before.
After that not many raw Illustrator cards have appeared. A couple did sell for $15k to $20k after that $140k sale, but other than that the only other sale of a raw card Iām aware of was Pkonnoās recent $210k copy. Whilst $86k may be low compared to the previous sale, itās still almost 9x higher than it was in early 2017.
Could the seller have made more from this? Very likely, but possibly not much more. Unlike the $210k copy this one was listed by a relative nobody (in eBay terms theyāre a user with 50 positive and 1 negative feedback). $86k is a lot of money to gamble with and the card appears to be in a worse condition than that the $210k copy as well. If a PSA 9 Illustrator is $225k, is a potential PSA 6 or lower copy worth $86k?
Iād say $86k was a very good amount for this to sell for and Iām sure both the buyer and seller are very happy.

coelacanth:
I hope Iām not asking a sensitive question, as Iām very new to the forum, and know very little about non-set cards, but could someone help me understand why the seller listed it for such a low price? Could they not have listed on Ebay to capture a larger market, or if they were wary of Ebay, they could have posted it on IG or anywhere more visible and scouted offers. I am sure within less than a week much higher offers would have emerged from reputable people willing to fly to pick up the card in person. It isnāt as if this card is an unknown quantity; some cursory googling would have revealed that on the global market it has fetched a price more than double their asking price. Again, apologies if this is an insensitive question to ask. I am just fascinated by this, the seller basically letting it go for a fraction of what they likely could have fetched. It seems to contradict principles of selling for such a large loss in potential money that I am fascinated.
One thing to note is that the cardās value is all over the place. Between 2008 and early 2017 the card frequently sold raw for between $8k and $12k, then there was a period where none appeared for several months and then suddenly out of the blue a Mandarake listing saw a raw Illustrator sell for $140k and a handful of other early trophy cards sell far higher than theyād ever sold before.
After that not many raw Illustrator cards have appeared. A couple did sell for $15k to $20k after that $140k sale, but other than that the only other sale of a raw card Iām aware of was Pkonnoās recent $210k copy. Whilst $86k may be low compared to the previous sale, itās still almost 9x higher than it was in early 2017.
Could the seller have made more from this? Very likely, but possibly not much more. Unlike the $210k copy this one was listed by a relative nobody (in eBay terms theyāre a user with 50 positive and 1 negative feedback). $86k is a lot of money to gamble with and the card appears to be in a worse condition than that the $210k copy as well. If a PSA 9 Illustrator is $225k, is a potential PSA 6 or lower copy worth $86k?
Iād say $86k was a very good amount for this to sell for and Iām sure both the buyer and seller are very happy.
u sound smart

coelacanth:
I hope Iām not asking a sensitive question, as Iām very new to the forum, and know very little about non-set cards, but could someone help me understand why the seller listed it for such a low price? Could they not have listed on Ebay to capture a larger market, or if they were wary of Ebay, they could have posted it on IG or anywhere more visible and scouted offers. I am sure within less than a week much higher offers would have emerged from reputable people willing to fly to pick up the card in person. It isnāt as if this card is an unknown quantity; some cursory googling would have revealed that on the global market it has fetched a price more than double their asking price. Again, apologies if this is an insensitive question to ask. I am just fascinated by this, the seller basically letting it go for a fraction of what they likely could have fetched. It seems to contradict principles of selling for such a large loss in potential money that I am fascinated.
One thing to note is that the cardās value is all over the place. Between 2008 and early 2017 the card frequently sold raw for between $8k and $12k, then there was a period where none appeared for several months and then suddenly out of the blue a Mandarake listing saw a raw Illustrator sell for $140k and a handful of other early trophy cards sell far higher than theyād ever sold before.
After that not many raw Illustrator cards have appeared. A couple did sell for $15k to $20k after that $140k sale, but other than that the only other sale of a raw card Iām aware of was Pkonnoās recent $210k copy. Whilst $86k may be low compared to the previous sale, itās still almost 9x higher than it was in early 2017.
Could the seller have made more from this? Very likely, but possibly not much more. Unlike the $210k copy this one was listed by a relative nobody (in eBay terms theyāre a user with 50 positive and 1 negative feedback). $86k is a lot of money to gamble with and the card appears to be in a worse condition than that the $210k copy as well. If a PSA 9 Illustrator is $225k, is a potential PSA 6 or lower copy worth $86k?
Iād say $86k was a very good amount for this to sell for and Iām sure both the buyer and seller are very happy.
Just a side note, the Illustrator from Mandarake never sold, the buyer didnāt pay. They still own that copy.
Wow great find, sadly I missed the pics too
so it sold for 85 with last sale 200k ?
As someone who wired 22,000,000 yen to zen market for a raw illustrator to only be told that I was second in line, and charged $8,000usd for trying and having to wait 2 weeks to get my money back
I can attest, buying in random marketplaces is⦠not a goooooood time

As someone who wired 22,000,000 yen to zen market for a raw illustrator to only be told that I was second in line, and charged $8,000usd for trying and having to wait 2 weeks to get my money back
I can attest, buying in random marketplaces is⦠not a goooooood time
God damn that must hurt. Hope you get one one day man, just for that experience alone.

austonmatthews:
As someone who wired 22,000,000 yen to zen market for a raw illustrator to only be told that I was second in line, and charged $8,000usd for trying and having to wait 2 weeks to get my money back
I can attest, buying in random marketplaces is⦠not a goooooood time
God damn that must hurt. Hope you get one one day man, just for that experience alone.
Ended up purchasing a 1st edition box instead - so it worked out.
But I do hope to get one, some day!!
Appreciate the kind words