Miscut Cards General Thread

@regigigagod Fair assessment and one you’ve put some thought into! I dub thee crimp-cuts!

The point on miscuts also being off-center on the front and back is for sure an indicator and qualifier for a miscut. I like that and agree. What if a card front and not the back is misaligned (or vice versa). Would we qualify that as a miscut? Cause technically one side could be correct…

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That’s a difficult question… You’d be surprised how many of my miscuts are actually only miscut on the front and the back is indistinguishable from any other card. It’s not like a large number or anything, but it happens more often than you’d think. I have a few that are only miscut on the back as well. When that happens, I think that the sheet was shifted when the ink was applied to one side. I’ll try to explain it as best I can. Haha.

So let’s say a sheet is printed on the back with the pokeball symbol perfectly fine. But the printer on the front prints the image of the card shifted one way or another. The cutter has no choice but to cut one of the sides incorrectly. And since it always cuts in the same place, the side with the shifted ink will be the side that ends up getting miscut. Take this secret rare Dialga for example. (Excuse the terrible picture lol it’s difficult enough to get a decent picture of this card to begin with.) Normally, you’d have no way of knowing what the other side looks like, but there is an indicator. You can see that the texture is not aligned with the image. Rather, right where the card would be cut normally. The texture is applied by a totally different machine after the ink, but before the card is cut. The machine that printed the texture was lined up correctly so that is an indication that the front image was the part that wasn’t applied correctly. The alignment dots are showing where the card cutter should be cutting. But it’s printed on with the ink on the front of the card. So in this case, the front of the sheet was shifted up and then the ink was printed on and then appears to be shifted down since the card on top is showing. The cutter still cut as it normally would, in the same place and fashion. And yes, this Dialga is not miscut on the back at all. My little joke with this card is that you can not play it in a game because it has part of Lysandre’s Our honorable president Card on top, which is banned in every format :stuck_out_tongue:

I do hope I’m making sense in that above paragraph though. Haha, I’ve had a few discussions with other people on whether or not that would be a misprint or a miscut. It’s a fair question for sure. Sometimes I just like to classify a miscut as a type of misprint… But in short, if both sides are miscut then the whole sheet was off when it got cut. However if only one side is miscut, then one of the sides had the ink printed on shifted one way or another. This is all my theory on it, I have never seen or heard how they make the cards. This is just evidence I’ve gathered and put together on how I think it happens.

I would still call it a miscut either way, and I do know tony has a few graded cards like these where PSA gave the card an MC qualifier despite having only one side miscut. But it’s definitely a tough question either way.

– Joe

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Wow, totally just laughed that it changed the name of Lysandres T-rump card all on it’s own. Too funny.

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Ahaha… I won’t lie, I have thought about it, but never seriously considered it. I think that I do know a lot, but I also think I could be wrong about some things. I mean I’m not pulling anything out of my butt per say, I use what I know and have gathered. But I don’t know 100% how the cards are produced or anything. I’ve learned most of what I know by purchasing and having the cards to look at. Idk if that makes sense, but you just learn from them overtime. Just staring at them and attempting to figure out the question of how they came to be, all I can offer is my best guess. Also, there’s no price guide for them, other than past sales. But I know a lot of what they have sold for, however they are all based on what I’ve offered. What some crazy guy will offer might not be the best indicator of what it’s true value could be haha. There’s no real official guide for any of it so I wouldn’t have any reference points. The guides currently are all unwritten. Plus I would have no idea where or how to start such a thing. I also don’t think I have the time to make it extensive as I would like… I thought about maybe making a video on it while showing a few of my own to give me something to talk about (kind of like Scott’s videos on YouTube) but I think that would just turn into storytime that nobody wants to listen to. Lol, perhaps in the future though, you never know. I’m always learning more about them, and I feel that I don’t know all that there is about them yet. I just don’t want to write something and be wrong with anything I say. Haha, I would make a good conversation though to say the least. :blush:

@reinasierpe Here is an example of what I am talking about. I just got this card a few days ago. And if I could describe my thoughts about it using only one word, I would have to go with dumbfounded. I have absolutely no idea how this card could end up like this, and I’m open to other opinions or ideas on it as well.

I purchased this from one of my contacts in Germany. I have bought from him in the past and have known him for several years. He told me that he pulled it from a booster pack. I have no reason to believe he would lie about it, nor do I think he or anyone can really get their hands on a sheet of evolutions cards haha. There is a slight white line just along the flat edge on the left side, and there is some damage that didn’t show up in the picture (crease in the middle of the card only) it has the regular ex gloss and it feels and appears to be a legit card. I just do not understand at all how the machine would cut this card. Like, how would the other cards on the sheet be affected too is another question I would love to know the answer to. If this was a WOTC card it would have hand cut written all over it…

Every time I look at it just get more confused, and when I look away I’m usually more puzzled than before. One thing I did do was trace out the dimensions of a regular card and I lined it up. It shows where the card is uneven. It did help a little bit. But it’s so misaligned that there’s no way the cutter would make that smooth cut on the left side. The thin white line makes me think that it was on the end of the sheet, but that can’t be right because we know there are color bars that still come after that. And there’s no way that there could’ve been another card there… This card just makes me think I don’t know anything about miscuts lol

Again, open to what anyone else thinks. But I am baffled…

– Joe

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@regigigagod Sweet read, and I agree with @reinasierpe on a more formal article/ guide. But one negative is it may create more competition in the miscut marketplace for you once more people notice and recognize the cool uniqueness of these cards!

That Venusaur is just wild! Are we sure there are colorbars on every sheet and on all sides? I’m leaning towards they aren’t. I’ll have a photo to share soon of a card to compliment your Venusaur (though not as severe). I haven’t seen any modern uncut sheets, any chance anyone out there has access to any photos of any? Would be very curious to see if perhaps something in the printing process changed. That white line seems very indicative of the edge of the sheet.

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@regigigagod
I mean I wrote an article on fake booster boxes without having ever opened a booster box in my life. You don’t need to be the best expert on something to write about it, you just need to know what you’re talking about. Just don’t write something speculative as fact, if you don’t know something just say you don’t know it.

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Thanks for the reinforcement guys, I’ll give an article some thought this summer.

I don’t see why there wouldn’t be a color bar on a sheet of evolutions exs, but that does seem to be the most sensible answer as to why the card randomly stops there. The very first 2 posts of this thread show color bar miscuts of modern cards with it on the top and on the side. So I’d still think it would be there, but at the same time it doesn’t appear that it did have it. Maybe it was only on the top and bottom of that sheet?? Lol still searching for answers…

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This one kinda goes along with the Venusaur that @regigigagod posted but from the other side of the sheet. Interested that it too doesn’t show a colorbar. Perhaps the printing process for the modern cards (or foils in particular) isn’t the same as it used to be. Anyone with insight I’d love to hear more!

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@scratchdesk
The first post of the thread shows a card from Sun and Moon with colorbars, so modern cards do have colorbars on the sheets. I think the second part of your theory is most likely the correct one, that colorbars aren’t present on foil/ultra rare sheets.

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The only “severe” miscut cards in the early japanese era that I have (excluding CoroCoro promos):


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Depends. Printing in large numbers is indeed done fully automated. First print is checked if colours match the colour samples at the edges and if that is good, the print keeps going. With irregular check ups if the colours still match and in between print run/ink switches. The cutting is just another stage and if the sheet rolls wrongly into the machine, that’s where a person would jump in. And if one goes wrong, many go wrong. On the flip side, will TPC care enough to tell CartaMundi to do a better print control? Or is the agreement that they just roll out everything because for TPC every sheet only costs pennies to make? We’ll never know.

(Correct me if I’m wrong, but Pokemon is still printed in Belgium right at CartaMundi?)

Shouts to @gottaketchumall for selling me the full art gengar… Anybody have an actual mega gengar ex miscut? :stuck_out_tongue:

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I have a gengar spirit link with the edge of the holo sheet on the bottom

Alright, I figured out something fairly interesting recently.

Based on a few miscuts I have, I am thinking that I’ve gained a bit more knowledge on the way that some of the sheets are cut. The proof will be in the pictures, but I’m thinking that there’s a small sliver of card stock that is cut out from between each card. And I’ve got a suspicion that this dragonite and heracross miscut were from the same sheet, or at least, one right after the other.

So here’s when 4 regular cards are put together. The small squarish circle in the center has to be discarded cardboard from the sheet that gets cut out when the machine cuts the cards. This is likely already established knowledge since that’s where the alignment dot goes, it’s designed to bet the part that gets cut out.

So that’s all fine and good. But what’s interesting is that these 2 miscut cards are cut in the exact same dimensions as each other (as you can see)


They line up to be cut in the same spots. The weakness and energy symbols are all cut in the same spot. But what’s really interesting is that they don’t line up together when put top to bottom.

There is a monstrous gap between the cards. The whole text of the “pokemon EX” rule is missing! I initially thought that they must not have been from the same sheet because of that. But giving a closer look at it, I think the machine must cut out a small sliver of the card inbetween them. Here is a picture of their regular versions next to each other, and I lined up the miscuts to be in line with their regular counterpart.

The corners of the blue background of the dragonites show that they are lined up right next to each other, and the heracross is a bit too dark to tell clearly, but I lined those up based on the names and the border at the top and I just basically eyeballed it. But even still, you can see by the gaps that some card stock would have to be missing for them to line up next to each other as they are. (Conveniently just enough room for the pokemon ex rule to fit in.)

Some more evidence I have is this card. Mega aggron is on top, and primal kyogre is on the bottom of the miscut. Again, I lined up their normal copies and compared. I put the center line of the miscut in line with the 2 normal cards when pushed together and you can see by the fire energy symbol on the top and the mega symbol on the bottom that in order for the card images to be lined up with each other, the normal copies would need to be separated slightly.

I do however think, that this is just for full arts or ultra rares, as I’ve got other miscuts that do in fact line up perfectly with no card stock missing.

Along with my theory of only ultra rares, these guys were bought from the same person (assuming they were pulled from the same box), and the energy symbol in the top right of glaceon clearly shows that there should be some of it on the altaria, but that is not the case. Perhaps they are individually cut, so to speak. Kindof like a cookie-cutter would leave some extra dough behind, rather than something that looks like a hashtag (#) pressing down on the sheet and leaving no extra cardboard cutout. I hope that idea got across, it’s a lot harder than I thought to transcribe my thoughts into words. Haha.

Since it is a general miscut card thread after all, I thought I would snap a quick family photo. Quite an interesting family too at that… The lucario is cut differently than the other miscuts, and lining it up with a regular copy does not produce the same results as the others did. It was also bought from an individual overseas, where as the others were not of international origin. So it is for those reasons that I suspect it was from a different sheet or a different time of production. But anyways, you can see that I’m missing seismichoad full art from this picture… If anyone has full art miscut of that variety, please let me know. (:

I’m not sure if this is impressive or interesting to anybody, but I was quite thrilled to potentially figure out something that I had not known before. As always, anyone else’s thoughts or ideas are welcome, as my knowledge is always looking to be enhanced further with these cards. :sunglasses:

– Joe

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Joe, my man.
Measure the borders. You can do that nice and easy on the Scolipede. Borders should be exact height on every card for centering. Do a second measure on a non-miscut. I am pretty sure the cards are stamped out rather then cut out and therefore missing a small ‘piece’ of cards if you align the miscuts, cutting would mean there is no paper loss. Once it’s misaligned, everything will be. Can be caused by a marker on top of the sheet.
Best way to get more info on this is actually finding a recent miscut where the four corners are actually on the card and not cut, so you can see if there is an alignment marker misprint or not.

Seeing so many full arts having the cutting error, I think they are using dark markers as alignments and they harder to detect on full arts with a darker border.

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Interesting info Joe!

My first thought is that the additional buffer space may have something to do with the texturing on the cards. So that the texture runs edge to edge allowing the cards to be cut with slight variance. Probably why you only see it on FA textured cards.

Love the photos!

Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated. I’ll continue to look more into this.

Me when I think I’m smart, but realize I’m still just stupid.

Sorry for bad picture. what i found today was 2 identical cards from adjacent booster packs which each have square cut right sides and regular lefts. how rare is something like this?