Is Beckett cooked? $$$ lawsuit

I didn’t think this needed to be clarified but I was specifically referring to your response here Is Beckett cooked? $$$ lawsuit - #57 by charizardespana, not the OP.

The topic itself is a useful piece of information for people and clearly a great source of discussion. I only have praise there!

There’s a notification mute button if you are not interested in the topic. I don’t see the reason to shut down an overall productive discussion.

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Beckett could reestablish and reenforce its brand relatively easily. It comes down to technology and how they’re connecting with customers. Their current customer experience and process pales in comparison to the PSA process and UI.

As others have stated in here, Beckett does indeed have a long and well established brand that commands a premium in sports and in Pokemon as well. I’m not sure why anyone would pretend it doesn’t. Vintage set card gold label 10s almost always sell for more than their PSA 10 counterparts it seems.

They had the “Beckett Collect” application in production and I am not sure why it would get shelved other than these rumors being true about mismanagement.

Beckett need only to refine its processes with the integration of an imaging step in their process and a modern cross platform application (like Beckett Collect) that allows collectors to prepare and track their orders and track their overall collection - all with images. After that, they’d setup a vault service of their own. The perceived gap in capability and dependability between BGS and PSA would come to an end.

All sounds good on paper!

These are logical steps for Beckett or the company that buys Beckett to take to close the interest and technology gap and start to improve monthly volume.

A lot of scrutiny and perhaps irrational anger toward Beckett and black labels and even subgrades is available in droves on this forum if you use the search button. From my perspective, that says the opposite of what those people insist upon in the posts you will find. The PSA market for both modern and vintage is now saturated with misgraded cards and PSA 10 GEM MINT cards with obvious wear, print lines or goofy centering for a 10. I know because I own PSA graded cards like this and I’ve seen plenty of examples. The immense volume PSA has done over the past 4 years and the vast number of 10s that emerge from their grading process doesn’t bode well for the long term perceptions of their brand in my opinion.

Beckett seems to be locking up the premium, flawless/pristine market that is only going to grow in interest in over time. Not shrink. The idea that the market for flawless/pristine cards is getting smaller is just false. In fact - I expect PSA will want to compete in this market and will introduce a similar marker or product soon. I mean we have services offering to GRADE your graded card to determine if it is a good 10 or a bad 10…

Once Beckett gets it together and bridges the technology gap I’ve described this discussion will become “IS PSA COOKED? TOO MANY 10s?? TOO LENIENT?” {insert youtube open mouth here}

BGS can contact me if they want to get it done :slight_smile:

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I share the same sentiment

BGS should…

a) implement all features PSA/CGC have at a bare minimum (scans, an actual functional pop report)

b) implement more tech to focus on on delivering consistently accurate grades (for the most part they do this already)

c) update their grading scale, they do need more 10s to encourage more volume, but keep P10 and BL10 as separate S tier grades

BGS should actually speak to collectors instead of whoever they spoke to last time who came up with the terrible idea of downgrading all 9.5s to MINT+ LOL

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This is a very interesting business thought, I would be very interested to see how the regular PSA 10 performs, if PSA introduces a Pristine PSA 10.

Maybe something like adding a sticker to their PSA 10s, just like the gold/diamond stickers.

Honest question, because I’m actually curious: What sort of functionality are you missing / would you like to have (I assume it’s something beyond viewing population or grades)?

I may be harsh on that one.

The main issue with their pop report is that it is not very user friendly, especially for normies. It does “work” but its like an excel spreadsheet in comparison to even CGC. It also doesn’t have authentic grade pop.

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Okay, regarding the looks I can definitely understand what you mean. For actually using it to find things though, at least I personally never had trouble with that (in contrast to PSA where several times Google was unironically better for searching the PSA pop report than the report itself).

PSA overall has a massive search problem that is inexcusable and the pop report only being set-based is also really annoying especially with all the language variants now.

The way that TCGFish organizes cards is a way better system than any grading company has and that’s basically just one guy.

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I have to agree, the search is a critical component. And thanks for the compliment. really appreciated.

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I think all the pop reports are kinda bad ngl. Which is weird because a basic tenet of grading seems to be how rare is my card

Pop report doesnt make money and is seen as a non priority. Hell, cgc didnt even have one for a couple years

I agree with that. In the long term people will move on from bgs. I think that the majority of beckett slabs will whither if bgs goes down for sure, Just clarifying that I am not debating that. My case is strictly for pristine 10s and them being the exception. They have a powerful and iconic standing within the tcg community and should be in good standing to hold their own once they are stopped being produced. Thats my opinion. If Logan Pauls 1 of 3 bgs 10 charzard loses value over the years Id genuinely be surprised. That goes for all the chase cards in pristine gold 10s.

When wotc era cards stopped being produced, their value skyrocketed after even though people moved on to modern. When Kobe passed away his autos jumped, even when people moved on to other players. Many examples of things ending but being more valuable when theyre gone just because theyve made their stamp and people know and understand their standards.

BGS pristine 10s would be talked about in the community even for future generations, its not like its useless and something fickle thats forgettable. They hold a premium for good reason being that they were one of the first tcg grading companies that earned that premium through consistency and are grandfathered in history.

If JSA goes out of business, I doubt their authenticated babe ruth baseballs would lose value. New grading companies will naturally attract the future collectors but JSA’s stamp in history and standards will remain to retain value.

Its a great topic to discuss. I hope bgs never closes :joy:

This topic is really interesting and the debates stemming from the OP are informative. I dont think we should lock this thread its just getting started. All healthy debates here for the most part

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Not only do pop reports not make money, they are a massive exposure point for a company.

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If bgs does get taken over or decides for a make over, it would be great if they create new, sleeker cases with the same gold label. Same grading scale, same standards, just a new sleeker design. Oh and customer support which is non existent. I dont understand why they havent done this. I really like the transparency of psa and cgc cases, all beckett has to do is get that slim transparent design, slap a gold label on it and I feel it would attract collectors in a positive light. They should start with customer support first though lol

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Update to this - seems PSA has announced a new office in… drum roll… Plano, Dallas, Texas (right next to the BGS office!).

Please Fnatics… Save this company and it’s legacy :saluting_face:

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Yep. Sadly not sure if BGS is going to be able to pass Go on this one.

I’m sure in the long run they will be fine but short term it’s very uncertain.

I can’t find anything about this. Can you share proof please?

Min 1.02

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